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[N8VEM: 18310] SBC Mark IV R11/12/13
Anthony DeStefano
2014-06-22 19:06:44 UTC
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I'm putting in the final pieces of a SBC Mark IV rev 2 board and have
a question on the layout of R11/12/13. When reading down on the mask
from U6 it's marked 1200 R12, 150 R11, 1200 R13. I know the update is to
change the R11 an R13 to 300, but which part of the mask is correct? Is
it the value markings or the Rxx markings?

Thanks,
Anthony
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Anthony DeStefano
2014-06-21 01:57:35 UTC
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I'm putting in the final pieces of a SBC Mark IV rev 2 board and have
a question on the layout of R11/12/13. When reading down on the mask
from U6 it's marked 1200 R12, 150 R11, 1200 R13. I know the update is to
change the R11 an R13 to 300, but which part of the mask is correct? Is
it the value markings or the Rxx markings?

Thanks,
Anthony
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John Coffman
2014-06-22 20:32:23 UTC
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Anthony,<br>
<br>
There are multiple opinions in the community about these resistor
values.&nbsp; My suggestion:&nbsp; <br>
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; R11, R13&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1200 ohms&nbsp; (same)<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; R12&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 120 ohms&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (down from 150)<br>
<br>
Some are using R11,R13 all the way up to "omitted."&nbsp; In my opinion,
10K is about as high as one should go.<br>
<br>
For short telephone lines, say 200' or less, these resistor values
are not critical.&nbsp; I still use the 1200/150/1200 combination.<br>
<br>
--John<br>
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<pre>I'm putting in the final pieces of a SBC Mark IV rev 2 board and have
a question on the layout of R11/12/13. When reading down on the mask
from U6 it's marked 1200 R12, 150 R11, 1200 R13. I know the update is to
change the R11 an R13 to 300, but which part of the mask is correct? Is
it the value markings or the Rxx markings?

Thanks,
Anthony

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Anthony DeStefano
2014-06-22 20:43:40 UTC
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John,



My question was about the proper locations vice the proper termination
values.



On the board it's marked 1200 R12, 150 R11, 1200 R13 which doesn't
match what's on the part list. I'm guessing that the value markings are
correct and the Rxx markings are wrong on the board.



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On Sun, Jun 22, 2014, at 04:32 PM, John Coffman wrote:

Anthony,



There are multiple opinions in the community about these resistor
values. My suggestion:



R11, R13 1200 ohms (same)

R12 120 ohms (down from 150)



Some are using R11,R13 all the way up to "omitted." In my opinion, 10K
is about as high as one should go.



For short telephone lines, say 200' or less, these resistor values are
not critical. I still use the 1200/150/1200 combination.



--John











On 06/22/2014 12:06 PM, Anthony DeStefano wrote:

I'm putting in the final pieces of a SBC Mark IV rev 2 board and have
a question on the layout of R11/12/13. When reading down on the mask
from U6 it's marked 1200 R12, 150 R11, 1200 R13. I know the update is to
change the R11 an R13 to 300, but which part of the mask is correct? Is
it the value markings or the Rxx markings?

Thanks,
Anthony

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2014-06-22 20:56:20 UTC
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Anthony,<br>
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I can see the problem.&nbsp; I don't know how the silkscreen got so
confused.&nbsp; Reading from L to R they should be R11, R12, R13.&nbsp; The
300/150/300 lettering is in the right place.&nbsp; Use:&nbsp;&nbsp; 1200 / 120 /
1200, closer to the first rev. of the board.&nbsp; (150 -&gt; 120).<br>
<br>
R11 connects to VCC, but on the inner layers.&nbsp; It will take an
ohmmeter to discover this.<br>
R12 connects to R11 &amp; R13.<br>
R13 connects to GND on the top and bottom layers of the board.&nbsp;
Visible connection.<br>
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--John<br>
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<div>John,<br>
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<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>My question was about the proper locations vice the proper
termination values. <br>
</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>On the board it's marked 1200 R12, 150 R11, 1200 R13 which
doesn't match what's on the part list. I'm guessing that the
value markings are correct and the Rxx markings are wrong on the
board.<br>
</div>
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<div>On Sun, Jun 22, 2014, at 04:32 PM, John Coffman wrote:<br>
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<div>Anthony,<br>
</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div> There are multiple opinions in the community about these
resistor values.&nbsp; My suggestion:&nbsp; <br>
</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; R11, R13&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1200 ohms&nbsp; (same)<br>
</div>
<div> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; R12&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 120 ohms&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (down from 150)<br>
</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div> Some are using R11,R13 all the way up to "omitted."&nbsp; In my
opinion, 10K is about as high as one should go.<br>
</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div> For short telephone lines, say 200' or less, these
resistor values are not critical.&nbsp; I still use the
1200/150/1200 combination.<br>
</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div> --John<br>
</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
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<pre>I'm putting in the final pieces of a SBC Mark IV rev 2 board and have
a question on the layout of R11/12/13. When reading down on the mask
from U6 it's marked 1200 R12, 150 R11, 1200 R13. I know the update is to
change the R11 an R13 to 300, but which part of the mask is correct? Is
it the value markings or the Rxx markings?

Thanks,
Anthony
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