[N8VEM: 20343] New Discussion Group - Coming Online @ http://www.retrobrewcomputers.org/forum/

[Andrew Bingham]

All,

I had a lot of trouble getting GNU Mailmain to work on the shared hosting.
Emails from the list to me were not coming through to me. Because of the
way the shared hosting works, the Mailman installation is not
per-shared-hosting but is shared between everyone and located on the
a2hosting domains, which makes the archives not visible, etc. It just
seemed like it would be a hard thing to get up and running. Add on top of
that the need to create a static archive of the mailing list to make
available to new members, and things were going to get quite complicated.

We need to have something new up and running, since Andrew L. intends to
close this group.

Because of this, I have chosen to go with a small forum installation
instead. We have ~80 people registered on the new Wiki at this point. I
don't think it will be a big deal to manage a forum for that number of
people. I have selected https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FUDforum as the
hosting software - because it stores the forum messages in simple text
files, similar to how Docuwiki uses flat files. Again, the goal is to use
something that is simple and keeps our messages in an accessible format.
The forum is essentially its own archive, so it's one less thing for me to
manage as an admin.

The new forum is at - http://retrobrewcomputers.org/forum/

*I am working on a way to have a single login/password for both the forum
and the wiki. This will likely mean setting the wiki to pull passwords
from the forum login database. Please don't manually register for the
forum at this time - just sign up for the wiki - I will create accounts for
everyone with the same username/email as your wiki accounts to facilitate
this future change-over.*

Forum invites will start going out for people who have signed up for the
wiki right now, as fast as I can add you all.

Andrew

[Andrew Bingham]

All,

Just to let everyone know - the emails you will receive with your forum
login information will have the subject "Reset Password" from
***@retrobrewcomputers.orgIn the interest of keeping the group members
together and in communication through this transition period, I am assuming
that anyone who has joined the new wiki also wants to continue with the
discussions on the new forums. If for some reason you don't want an
account on the forums, just let me know and I'll delete you.

Andrew

Post by Andrew Bingham
All,
I had a lot of trouble getting GNU Mailmain to work on the shared hosting.
Emails from the list to me were not coming through to me. Because of the
way the shared hosting works, the Mailman installation is not
per-shared-hosting but is shared between everyone and located on the
a2hosting domains, which makes the archives not visible, etc. It just
seemed like it would be a hard thing to get up and running. Add on top of
that the need to create a static archive of the mailing list to make
available to new members, and things were going to get quite complicated.
We need to have something new up and running, since Andrew L. intends to
close this group.
Because of this, I have chosen to go with a small forum installation
instead. We have ~80 people registered on the new Wiki at this point. I
don't think it will be a big deal to manage a forum for that number of
people. I have selected https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FUDforum as the
hosting software - because it stores the forum messages in simple text
files, similar to how Docuwiki uses flat files. Again, the goal is to use
something that is simple and keeps our messages in an accessible format.
The forum is essentially its own archive, so it's one less thing for me to
manage as an admin.
The new forum is at - http://retrobrewcomputers.org/forum/
*I am working on a way to have a single login/password for both the forum
and the wiki. This will likely mean setting the wiki to pull passwords
from the forum login database. Please don't manually register for the
forum at this time - just sign up for the wiki - I will create accounts for
everyone with the same username/email as your wiki accounts to facilitate
this future change-over.*
Forum invites will start going out for people who have signed up for the
wiki right now, as fast as I can add you all.
Andrew

[Nikolay Dimitrov]

Hi Andrew,

Imho this is a serious step backwards.

If there are technical limitations for setting-up the reflector, we as
a community most probably have the resources to solve them. I offered
several times help, and I'm sure other people also can help with
hosting some of the services which are an issue for you.

I work sometimes with other communities (u-boot, alsa, buildroot,
openwrt, yocto, osmosdr), and if they can setup mailman, it shouldn't
be harder for us.

Simply said, I would prefer to rather not participate in the community
discussions if I'm being forced to do it via a browser.

Regards,
Nikolay

Post by Andrew Bingham
All,
I had a lot of trouble getting GNU Mailmain to work on the shared
hosting. Emails from the list to me were not coming through to me.
Because of the way the shared hosting works, the Mailman installation
is not per-shared-hosting but is shared between everyone and located on
the a2hosting domains, which makes the archives not visible, etc. It
just seemed like it would be a hard thing to get up and running. Add on
top of that the need to create a static archive of the mailing list to
make available to new members, and things were going to get quite
complicated.
We need to have something new up and running, since Andrew L. intends to
close this group.
Because of this, I have chosen to go with a small forum installation
instead. We have ~80 people registered on the new Wiki at this point.
I don't think it will be a big deal to manage a forum for that number
of people. I have selected https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FUDforum as
the hosting software - because it stores the forum messages in simple
text files, similar to how Docuwiki uses flat files. Again, the goal is
to use something that is simple and keeps our messages in an accessible
format. The forum is essentially its own archive, so it's one less
thing for me to manage as an admin.
The new forum is at - http://retrobrewcomputers.org/forum/
*I am working on a way to have a single login/password for both the
forum and the wiki. This will likely mean setting the wiki to pull
passwords from the forum login database. _Please don't manually register
for the forum at this time - just sign up for the wiki - I will create
accounts for everyone with the same username/email as your wiki accounts
to facilitate this future change-over._*
*_
_*
Forum invites will start going out for people who have signed up for the
wiki right now, as fast as I can add you all.
Andrew
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Post by Nikolay Dimitrov
Hi Andrew,
Imho this is a serious step backwards.
If there are technical limitations for setting-up the reflector, we as
a community most probably have the resources to solve them. I offered
several times help, and I'm sure other people also can help with
hosting some of the services which are an issue for you.
I work sometimes with other communities (u-boot, alsa, buildroot,
openwrt, yocto, osmosdr), and if they can setup mailman, it shouldn't
be harder for us.
Simply said, I would prefer to rather not participate in the community
discussions if I'm being forced to do it via a browser.
Regards,
Nikolay

Post by Andrew Bingham
All,
I had a lot of trouble getting GNU Mailmain to work on the shared
hosting. Emails from the list to me were not coming through to me.
Because of the way the shared hosting works, the Mailman installation
is not per-shared-hosting but is shared between everyone and located on
the a2hosting domains, which makes the archives not visible, etc. It
just seemed like it would be a hard thing to get up and running. Add on
top of that the need to create a static archive of the mailing list to
make available to new members, and things were going to get quite
complicated.
We need to have something new up and running, since Andrew L. intends to
close this group.
Because of this, I have chosen to go with a small forum installation
instead. We have ~80 people registered on the new Wiki at this point.
I don't think it will be a big deal to manage a forum for that number
of people. I have selected https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FUDforum as
the hosting software - because it stores the forum messages in simple
text files, similar to how Docuwiki uses flat files. Again, the goal is
to use something that is simple and keeps our messages in an accessible
format. The forum is essentially its own archive, so it's one less
thing for me to manage as an admin.
The new forum is at - http://retrobrewcomputers.org/forum/
*I am working on a way to have a single login/password for both the
forum and the wiki. This will likely mean setting the wiki to pull
passwords from the forum login database. _Please don't manually register
for the forum at this time - just sign up for the wiki - I will create
accounts for everyone with the same username/email as your wiki accounts
to facilitate this future change-over._*
*_
_*
Forum invites will start going out for people who have signed up for the
wiki right now, as fast as I can add you all.
Andrew
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[Neal Crook]

Personally, I think that a forum has significant advantage over a mailing
list: much better capability to segregate topics and much better
archiving/searching capability. Head over to 6502.org and you can find
discussions that have progressed slowly over a period of months (and which
represent a valuable historical archive) -- typical mailserver archives
chunk the archives into per-month blocks, with no continuity between them.
In an ideal world, mail discussions would get condensed and summaried as a
wiki entry, but in reality that rarely happens.

I'd also like to take the opportunity to thank Andrew for stepping forward
to take on this project.

Neal.

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[Richard Cini]

I agree. I've been a member of 6502.org for years and it works well.

Sent from my iPhone

Personally, I think that a forum has significant advantage over a mailing list: much better capability to segregate topics and much better archiving/searching capability. Head over to 6502.org and you can find discussions that have progressed slowly over a period of months (and which represent a valuable historical archive) -- typical mailserver archives chunk the archives into per-month blocks, with no continuity between them. In an ideal world, mail discussions would get condensed and summaried as a wiki entry, but in reality that rarely happens.
I'd also like to take the opportunity to thank Andrew for stepping forward to take on this project.
Neal.

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[Wayne Warthen]

I strongly advocate for the forum style approach.

Mailing lists work great if your goal is to have relatively private,
conversations with known people.

Personally, I think the goal here should be to attract more people. A
mailing list absolutely does not do that (even if an archive is available).

I am thrilled to see the forum.

--Wayne

Post by Richard Cini
I agree. I've been a member of 6502.org for years and it works well.
Sent from my iPhone
Personally, I think that a forum has significant advantage over a mailing
list: much better capability to segregate topics and much better
archiving/searching capability. Head over to 6502.org and you can find
discussions that have progressed slowly over a period of months (and which
represent a valuable historical archive) -- typical mailserver archives
chunk the archives into per-month blocks, with no continuity between them.
In an ideal world, mail discussions would get condensed and summaried as a
wiki entry, but in reality that rarely happens.
I'd also like to take the opportunity to thank Andrew for stepping forward
to take on this project.
Neal.

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[Paul Birkel]

It's tough being on the wrong side of history :-<. Can one subscribe to
the forum so as to get a notification/feed? VCF supports that, but I don't
see any controls as yet to accomplish that in this new forum. Will this
google groups list then be disestablished?

Post by Wayne Warthen
I strongly advocate for the forum style approach.
Mailing lists work great if your goal is to have relatively private,
conversations with known people.
Personally, I think the goal here should be to attract more people. A
mailing list absolutely does not do that (even if an archive is available).
I am thrilled to see the forum.
--Wayne

Post by Richard Cini
I agree. I've been a member of 6502.org for years and it works well.
Sent from my iPhone
Personally, I think that a forum has significant advantage over a mailing
list: much better capability to segregate topics and much better
archiving/searching capability. Head over to 6502.org and you can find
discussions that have progressed slowly over a period of months (and which
represent a valuable historical archive) -- typical mailserver archives
chunk the archives into per-month blocks, with no continuity between them.
In an ideal world, mail discussions would get condensed and summaried as a
wiki entry, but in reality that rarely happens.
I'd also like to take the opportunity to thank Andrew for stepping
forward to take on this project.
Neal.

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[Wayne Warthen]

I apologize if I was a bit strong in my opinion. I am also looking for a
way to get email notification and have not figured it out yet. I will be
surprised if that it not supported...

--Wayne

Post by Paul Birkel
It's tough being on the wrong side of history :-<. Can one subscribe to
the forum so as to get a notification/feed? VCF supports that, but I don't
see any controls as yet to accomplish that in this new forum. Will this
google groups list then be disestablished?

Post by Wayne Warthen
I strongly advocate for the forum style approach.
Mailing lists work great if your goal is to have relatively private,
conversations with known people.
Personally, I think the goal here should be to attract more people. A
mailing list absolutely does not do that (even if an archive is available).
I am thrilled to see the forum.
--Wayne

Post by Richard Cini
I agree. I've been a member of 6502.org for years and it works well.
Sent from my iPhone
Personally, I think that a forum has significant advantage over a
mailing list: much better capability to segregate topics and much better
archiving/searching capability. Head over to 6502.org and you can find
discussions that have progressed slowly over a period of months (and which
represent a valuable historical archive) -- typical mailserver archives
chunk the archives into per-month blocks, with no continuity between them.
In an ideal world, mail discussions would get condensed and summaried as a
wiki entry, but in reality that rarely happens.
I'd also like to take the opportunity to thank Andrew for stepping
forward to take on this project.
Neal.

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[Wayne Warthen]

It looks like "subscribing" to a topic or forum will automatically cause
you to receive an email when something is posted within the forum or topic
you have subscribed to. That is according to the manual -- I have not
proven it works.

--Wayne

Post by Wayne Warthen
I apologize if I was a bit strong in my opinion. I am also looking for a
way to get email notification and have not figured it out yet. I will be
surprised if that it not supported...
--Wayne

Post by Paul Birkel
It's tough being on the wrong side of history :-<. Can one subscribe to
the forum so as to get a notification/feed? VCF supports that, but I don't
see any controls as yet to accomplish that in this new forum. Will this
google groups list then be disestablished?

Post by Wayne Warthen
I strongly advocate for the forum style approach.
Mailing lists work great if your goal is to have relatively private,
conversations with known people.
Personally, I think the goal here should be to attract more people. A
mailing list absolutely does not do that (even if an archive is available).
I am thrilled to see the forum.
--Wayne

Post by Richard Cini
I agree. I've been a member of 6502.org for years and it works well.
Sent from my iPhone
Personally, I think that a forum has significant advantage over a
mailing list: much better capability to segregate topics and much better
archiving/searching capability. Head over to 6502.org and you can find
discussions that have progressed slowly over a period of months (and which
represent a valuable historical archive) -- typical mailserver archives
chunk the archives into per-month blocks, with no continuity between them.
In an ideal world, mail discussions would get condensed and summaried as a
wiki entry, but in reality that rarely happens.
I'd also like to take the opportunity to thank Andrew for stepping
forward to take on this project.
Neal.

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[Nikolay Dimitrov]

These are usually notifications, you can't post messages via email.

Regards,
Nikolay

Post by Wayne Warthen
It looks like "subscribing" to a topic or forum will automatically cause
you to receive an email when something is posted within the forum or
topic you have subscribed to. That is according to the manual -- I have
not proven it works.
--Wayne

[Nikolay Dimitrov]

Hi all,

Just wanted to send this before the group disappears.

While we're waiting for the current Google group to be shutted-
down/deleted, and also while the future mailing list is debugged, I
created a new Google group, "retrobrewcomputers" that can host
discussions for a while.

@Andrew, others - I don't need to own this group, I can transfer it to
you if you want/need, just tell me.

Regards,
Nikolay

[Andrew Bingham]

I do think Andrew L. is planning to delete this Group today from what I
have heard from him.

I was hoping to not have the group fragment into multiple places. I think
we are on a really good track with the new wiki!!

I'm of two minds here:
*Forum*: My main thought with respect to a forum was that we have
discussion on new boards and such that develop over months, and with a
forum new users can immediately see, read, and contribute to those past
discussions. Personally I have always used the Google Group from the
Google interface where I can see all the historical posts in a forum-like
way. I've often gone back months or years to look at an old thread.

*Mailing list*: My thought with the mailman list, was that it would be
simpler to maintain, less susceptible to hacking/spam, and easier to backup
the messages if needed.

Since I ran into some roadblocks with the mailman list, I setup a forum.

Right now I have about ~90 wiki users signed up, and feedback from 3 people
who would like a forum, and 2 people who would rather see a mailing list.

I'm going to setup a poll on the forum about this issue and give people a
few days to respond - even if you're against the forum could you please
come in and respond. Nothing is permanent at this point, and i am working
on fixing mailman on the hosting so we have that option, BUT I would also
like to do what the majority of uses want - so let's try and get a quorum
of votes (over 60) and then decide how to proceed. There may also be a
hybrid option that would support both interfaces as well.

Thanks B

Andrew

Post by Nikolay Dimitrov
Hi all,
Just wanted to send this before the group disappears.
While we're waiting for the current Google group to be shutted-
down/deleted, and also while the future mailing list is debugged, I
created a new Google group, "retrobrewcomputers" that can host
discussions for a while.
@Andrew, others - I don't need to own this group, I can transfer it to
you if you want/need, just tell me.
Regards,
Nikolay

[Andrew Bingham]

Poll on this issue is here -
http://www.retrobrewcomputers.org/forum/index.php?t=msg&goto=10&#msg_10

I'd ask everyone who wants to discuss the official direction of whatever
discussion format we will have hosted on the retrobrewcomputers.org
hosting, to please join this thread. Nothing is set in stone at this point
and I am open to either option, but I'd like to have all the discussion in
one place so everyone can follow it.

Andrew

Post by Andrew Bingham
I do think Andrew L. is planning to delete this Group today from what I
have heard from him.
I was hoping to not have the group fragment into multiple places. I think
we are on a really good track with the new wiki!!
*Forum*: My main thought with respect to a forum was that we have
discussion on new boards and such that develop over months, and with a
forum new users can immediately see, read, and contribute to those past
discussions. Personally I have always used the Google Group from the
Google interface where I can see all the historical posts in a forum-like
way. I've often gone back months or years to look at an old thread.
*Mailing list*: My thought with the mailman list, was that it would be
simpler to maintain, less susceptible to hacking/spam, and easier to backup
the messages if needed.
Since I ran into some roadblocks with the mailman list, I setup a forum.
Right now I have about ~90 wiki users signed up, and feedback from 3
people who would like a forum, and 2 people who would rather see a mailing
list.
I'm going to setup a poll on the forum about this issue and give people a
few days to respond - even if you're against the forum could you please
come in and respond. Nothing is permanent at this point, and i am working
on fixing mailman on the hosting so we have that option, BUT I would also
like to do what the majority of uses want - so let's try and get a quorum
of votes (over 60) and then decide how to proceed. There may also be a
hybrid option that would support both interfaces as well.
Thanks B
Andrew

Post by Nikolay Dimitrov
Hi all,
Just wanted to send this before the group disappears.
While we're waiting for the current Google group to be shutted-
down/deleted, and also while the future mailing list is debugged, I
created a new Google group, "retrobrewcomputers" that can host
discussions for a while.
@Andrew, others - I don't need to own this group, I can transfer it to
you if you want/need, just tell me.
Regards,
Nikolay

[John Coffman]

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
<html>
<head>
<meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
http-equiv="Content-Type">
</head>
<body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
Andrew,<br>
<br>
I am successful at logging onto the Wiki and setting a password to
my liking.<br>
<br>
I am unsuccessful at logging onto the Forum.&nbsp; My name is there, but
when I fail to log in and then try to reset my password, no email
appears in my Inbox (or in Spam, for that matter).&nbsp; The link you
provided for password reset does not work either.<br>
<br>
I presume I am making some cockpit error, but I have never seen such
silence to a password reset request.<br>
<br>
Can you check that the Forum account for "jcoffman" is associated
with the above Gmail address?<br>
<br>
--John<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 11/01/2015 04:19 PM, Andrew Bingham wrote:
<blockquote
cite="mid:b8621771-5b10-4224-8bb7-***@googlegroups.com"
type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">Poll on this issue is here -
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.retrobrewcomputers.org/forum/index.php?t=msg&amp;goto=10&amp;#msg_10">http://www.retrobrewcomputers.org/forum/index.php?t=msg&amp;goto=10&amp;#msg_10</a><br>
<br>
I'd ask everyone who wants to discuss the official direction of
whatever discussion format we will have hosted on the
retrobrewcomputers.org hosting, to please join this thread.&Acirc;&nbsp;
Nothing is set in stone at this point and I am open to either
option, but I'd like to have all the discussion in one place so
everyone can follow it.<br>
<br>
Andrew<br>
<br>
On Sunday, November 1, 2015 at 4:07:05 PM UTC-8, Andrew Bingham
wrote:
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt
0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);
padding-left: 1ex;">
<div dir="ltr">I do think Andrew L. is planning to delete this
Group today from what I have heard from him.&Acirc;&nbsp; <br>
<br>
I was hoping to not have the group fragment into multiple
places. I think we are on a really good track with the new
wiki!!<br>
<br>
I'm of two minds here:<br>
<b>Forum</b>:&Acirc;&nbsp; My main thought with respect to a forum was
that we have discussion on new boards and such that develop
over months, and with a forum new users can immediately see,
read, and contribute to those past discussions.&Acirc;&nbsp; Personally
I have always used the Google Group from the Google
interface where I can see all the historical posts in a
forum-like way.&Acirc;&nbsp; I've often gone back months or years to
look at an old thread.<br>
<br>
<b>Mailing list</b>: My thought with the mailman list, was
that it would be simpler to maintain, less susceptible to
hacking/spam, and easier to backup the messages if needed.<br>
<br>
Since I ran into some roadblocks with the mailman list, I
setup a forum.&Acirc;&nbsp; <br>
<br>
Right now I have about ~90 wiki users signed up, and
feedback from 3 people who would like a forum, and 2 people
who would rather see a mailing list.<br>
<br>
I'm going to setup a poll on the forum about this issue and
give people a few days to respond - even if you're against
the forum could you please come in and respond.&Acirc;&nbsp; Nothing is
permanent at this point, and i am working on fixing mailman
on the hosting so we have that option, BUT I would also like
to do what the majority of uses want - so let's try and get
a quorum of votes (over 60) and then decide how to
proceed.&Acirc;&nbsp; There may also be a hybrid option that would
support both interfaces as well.<br>
<br>
Thanks B<br>
<br>
Andrew<br>
<br>
<br>
On Sunday, November 1, 2015 at 2:00:19 PM UTC-8, picmaster
wrote:
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt
0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);
padding-left: 1ex;">Hi all,
<br>
<br>
Just wanted to send this before the group disappears.
<br>
<br>
While we're waiting for the current Google group to be
shutted-
<br>
down/deleted, and also while the future mailing list is
debugged, I
<br>
created a new Google group, "retrobrewcomputers" that can
host <br>
discussions for a while.
<br>
<br>
@Andrew, others - I don't need to own this group, I can
transfer it to
<br>
you if you want/need, just tell me.
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<br>
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<br>
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[Andrew Bingham]

John - thank for the feedback. I need to change a setting in the forum
software I think as far as how emails get sent. Can't do admit stuff at
work, so I will look at it in an couple hours when I am home.

I will also set your forum password manually and send it to you.

Andrew

Post by Nikolay Dimitrov
Andrew,
I am successful at logging onto the Wiki and setting a password to my
liking.
I am unsuccessful at logging onto the Forum. My name is there, but when I
fail to log in and then try to reset my password, no email appears in my
Inbox (or in Spam, for that matter). The link you provided for password
reset does not work either.
I presume I am making some cockpit error, but I have never seen such
silence to a password reset request.
Can you check that the Forum account for "jcoffman" is associated with the
above Gmail address?
--John
Poll on this issue is here -
http://www.retrobrewcomputers.org/forum/index.php?t=msg&goto=10&#msg_10
I'd ask everyone who wants to discuss the official direction of whatever
discussion format we will have hosted on the retrobrewcomputers.org
hosting, to please join this thread. Nothing is set in stone at this
point and I am open to either option, but I'd like to have all the
discussion in one place so everyone can follow it.
Andrew

Post by Andrew Bingham
I do think Andrew L. is planning to delete this Group today from what I
have heard from him.Â
I was hoping to not have the group fragment into multiple places. I think
we are on a really good track with the new wiki!!
*Forum*:Â My main thought with respect to a forum was that we have
discussion on new boards and such that develop over months, and with a
forum new users can immediately see, read, and contribute to those past
discussions. Personally I have always used the Google Group from the
Google interface where I can see all the historical posts in a forum-like
way. I've often gone back months or years to look at an old thread.
*Mailing list*: My thought with the mailman list, was that it would be
simpler to maintain, less susceptible to hacking/spam, and easier to backup
the messages if needed.
Since I ran into some roadblocks with the mailman list, I setup a
forum.Â
Right now I have about ~90 wiki users signed up, and feedback from 3
people who would like a forum, and 2 people who would rather see a mailing
list.
I'm going to setup a poll on the forum about this issue and give people a
few days to respond - even if you're against the forum could you please
come in and respond. Nothing is permanent at this point, and i am working
on fixing mailman on the hosting so we have that option, BUT I would also
like to do what the majority of uses want - so let's try and get a quorum
of votes (over 60) and then decide how to proceed. There may also be a
hybrid option that would support both interfaces as well.
Thanks B
Andrew

Post by Nikolay Dimitrov
Hi all,
Just wanted to send this before the group disappears.
While we're waiting for the current Google group to be shutted-
down/deleted, and also while the future mailing list is debugged, I
created a new Google group, "retrobrewcomputers" that can host
discussions for a while.
@Andrew, others - I don't need to own this group, I can transfer it to
you if you want/need, just tell me.
Regards,
Nikolay

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Andrew,<br>
<br>
Thank you for all the effort in getting us through this transition.&nbsp;
I guess we all will have to go through some growing pains.<br>
<br>
--John<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 11/02/2015 04:44 PM, Andrew Bingham wrote:
<blockquote
cite="mid:CAFZAetb54z+***@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">
<p dir="ltr">John -&Acirc;&nbsp; thank for the feedback.&Acirc;&nbsp; I need to change a
setting in the forum software I think as far as how emails get
sent.&Acirc;&nbsp; Can't do admit stuff at work, so I will look at it in an
couple hours when I am home.</p>
<p dir="ltr">I will also set your forum password manually and send
it to you.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Andrew </p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Nov 2, 2015 4:41 PM, "John Coffman"
&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:***@gmail.com">***@gmail.com</a>&gt;
wrote:<br type="attribution">
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt
0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);
padding-left: 1ex;">
<div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> Andrew,<br>
<br>
I am successful at logging onto the Wiki and setting a
password to my liking.<br>
<br>
I am unsuccessful at logging onto the Forum.&Acirc;&nbsp; My name is
there, but when I fail to log in and then try to reset my
password, no email appears in my Inbox (or in Spam, for that
matter).&Acirc;&nbsp; The link you provided for password reset does not
work either.<br>
<br>
I presume I am making some cockpit error, but I have never
seen such silence to a password reset request.<br>
<br>
Can you check that the Forum account for "jcoffman" is
associated with the above Gmail address?<br>
<br>
--John<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 11/01/2015 04:19 PM, Andrew Bingham wrote:
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">Poll on this issue is here -
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.retrobrewcomputers.org/forum/index.php?t=msg&amp;goto=10&amp;#msg_10"
target="_blank">http://www.retrobrewcomputers.org/forum/index.php?t=msg&amp;goto=10&amp;#msg_10</a><br>
<br>
I'd ask everyone who wants to discuss the official
direction of whatever discussion format we will have
hosted on the <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://retrobrewcomputers.org" target="_blank">retrobrewcomputers.org</a>
hosting, to please join this thread.&Atilde;&#8218;&Acirc;&nbsp; Nothing is set
in stone at this point and I am open to either option,
but I'd like to have all the discussion in one place so
everyone can follow it.<br>
<br>
Andrew<br>
<br>
On Sunday, November 1, 2015 at 4:07:05 PM UTC-8, Andrew
Bingham wrote:
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt
0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);
padding-left: 1ex;">
<div dir="ltr">I do think Andrew L. is planning to
delete this Group today from what I have heard from
him.&Atilde;&#8218;&Acirc;&nbsp; <br>
<br>
I was hoping to not have the group fragment into
multiple places. I think we are on a really good
track with the new wiki!!<br>
<br>
I'm of two minds here:<br>
<b>Forum</b>:&Atilde;&#8218;&Acirc;&nbsp; My main thought with respect to a
forum was that we have discussion on new boards and
such that develop over months, and with a forum new
users can immediately see, read, and contribute to
those past discussions.&Atilde;&#8218;&Acirc;&nbsp; Personally I have always
used the Google Group from the Google interface
where I can see all the historical posts in a
forum-like way.&Atilde;&#8218;&Acirc;&nbsp; I've often gone back months or
years to look at an old thread.<br>
<br>
<b>Mailing list</b>: My thought with the mailman
list, was that it would be simpler to maintain, less
susceptible to hacking/spam, and easier to backup
the messages if needed.<br>
<br>
Since I ran into some roadblocks with the mailman
list, I setup a forum.&Atilde;&#8218;&Acirc;&nbsp; <br>
<br>
Right now I have about ~90 wiki users signed up, and
feedback from 3 people who would like a forum, and 2
people who would rather see a mailing list.<br>
<br>
I'm going to setup a poll on the forum about this
issue and give people a few days to respond - even
if you're against the forum could you please come in
and respond.&Atilde;&#8218;&Acirc;&nbsp; Nothing is permanent at this point,
and i am working on fixing mailman on the hosting so
we have that option, BUT I would also like to do
what the majority of uses want - so let's try and
get a quorum of votes (over 60) and then decide how
to proceed.&Atilde;&#8218;&Acirc;&nbsp; There may also be a hybrid option
that would support both interfaces as well.<br>
<br>
Thanks B<br>
<br>
Andrew<br>
<br>
<br>
On Sunday, November 1, 2015 at 2:00:19 PM UTC-8,
picmaster wrote:
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt
0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204,
204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Hi all, <br>
<br>
Just wanted to send this before the group
disappears. <br>
<br>
While we're waiting for the current Google group
to be shutted- <br>
down/deleted, and also while the future mailing
list is debugged, I <br>
created a new Google group, "retrobrewcomputers"
that can host <br>
discussions for a while. <br>
<br>
@Andrew, others - I don't need to own this group,
I can transfer it to <br>
you if you want/need, just tell me. <br>
<br>
Regards, <br>
Nikolay <br>
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Messages are being lost in some kind of outbound spam filter used by the
hosting provider. I have a ticket with them open now.

Andrew

Post by Nikolay Dimitrov
Andrew,
Thank you for all the effort in getting us through this transition. I
guess we all will have to go through some growing pains.
--John
John - thank for the feedback. I need to change a setting in the forum
software I think as far as how emails get sent. Can't do admit stuff at
work, so I will look at it in an couple hours when I am home.
I will also set your forum password manually and send it to you.
Andrew

Post by Nikolay Dimitrov
Andrew,
I am successful at logging onto the Wiki and setting a password to my
liking.
I am unsuccessful at logging onto the Forum. My name is there, but when
I fail to log in and then try to reset my password, no email appears in my
Inbox (or in Spam, for that matter). The link you provided for password
reset does not work either.
I presume I am making some cockpit error, but I have never seen such
silence to a password reset request.
Can you check that the Forum account for "jcoffman" is associated with
the above Gmail address?
--John
Poll on this issue is here -
http://www.retrobrewcomputers.org/forum/index.php?t=msg&goto=10&#msg_10
I'd ask everyone who wants to discuss the official direction of whatever
discussion format we will have hosted on the retrobrewcomputers.org
hosting, to please join this thread. Nothing is set in stone at this
point and I am open to either option, but I'd like to have all the
discussion in one place so everyone can follow it.
Andrew

Post by Andrew Bingham
I do think Andrew L. is planning to delete this Group today from what I
have heard from him.ÂÂ
I was hoping to not have the group fragment into multiple places. I
think we are on a really good track with the new wiki!!
*Forum*: My main thought with respect to a forum was that we have
discussion on new boards and such that develop over months, and with a
forum new users can immediately see, read, and contribute to those past
discussions. Personally I have always used the Google Group from the
Google interface where I can see all the historical posts in a forum-like
way. I've often gone back months or years to look at an old thread.
*Mailing list*: My thought with the mailman list, was that it would be
simpler to maintain, less susceptible to hacking/spam, and easier to backup
the messages if needed.
Since I ran into some roadblocks with the mailman list, I setup a
forum.ÂÂ
Right now I have about ~90 wiki users signed up, and feedback from 3
people who would like a forum, and 2 people who would rather see a mailing
list.
I'm going to setup a poll on the forum about this issue and give people
a few days to respond - even if you're against the forum could you please
come in and respond. Nothing is permanent at this point, and i am
working on fixing mailman on the hosting so we have that option, BUT I
would also like to do what the majority of uses want - so let's try and get
a quorum of votes (over 60) and then decide how to proceed. There may
also be a hybrid option that would support both interfaces as well.
Thanks B
Andrew

Post by Nikolay Dimitrov
Hi all,
Just wanted to send this before the group disappears.
While we're waiting for the current Google group to be shutted-
down/deleted, and also while the future mailing list is debugged, I
created a new Google group, "retrobrewcomputers" that can host
discussions for a while.
@Andrew, others - I don't need to own this group, I can transfer it to
you if you want/need, just tell me.
Regards,
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[James Moxham]

A big vote of thanks to Andrew B. for setting all this up.

Re forums vs mailing lists, I don't have a particularly strong view either
way, so if a forum is easier then go with that. I think some forum
software out there has the ability to 'subscribe' to threads and get email
notifications, and for those keen to follow it all on email you could
subscribe to all threads? Maybe that is the hybrid option you mention.

So a vote from me for a forum.

Cheers, James Moxham

Post by Andrew Bingham
I do think Andrew L. is planning to delete this Group today from what I
have heard from him.
I was hoping to not have the group fragment into multiple places. I
think we are on a really good track with the new wiki!!
Forum: My main thought with respect to a forum was that we have
discussion on new boards and such that develop over months, and with a
forum new >users can immediately see, read, and contribute to those past
discussions. Personally I have always used the Google Group from the
Google interface >where I can see all the historical posts in a
forum-like way. I've often gone back months or years to look at an old
thread.
Mailing list: My thought with the mailman list, was that it would be
simpler to maintain, less susceptible to hacking/spam, and easier to
backup the >messages if needed.
Since I ran into some roadblocks with the mailman list, I setup a forum.
Right now I have about ~90 wiki users signed up, and feedback from 3
people who would like a forum, and 2 people who would rather see a
mailing list.
I'm going to setup a poll on the forum about this issue and give people
a few days to respond - even if you're against the forum could you
please come in >and respond. Nothing is permanent at this point, and i
am working on fixing mailman on the hosting so we have that option, BUT
I would also like to do >what the majority of uses want - so let's try
and get a quorum of votes (over 60) and then decide how to proceed.
There may also be a hybrid option that >would support both interfaces as
well.
Thanks B
Andrew

[Paul Birkel]

Agree, that's the theory. The VCF forums support at least that capability,
but once a thread-message-notice (which may be truncated) has been sent
there the messaging stops as the intent is to force you to actively visit
the forum-site. Very annoying; it's easy to miss significant ongoing
activity.

Our new forum does not do even this, at least for me. I'm not receiving
any messages from the new forum. That is not a favorable development. Nor
am I receiving a daily-digest of new-threads (which VCF does). Thus far I
find the new forum-site to be "unfunctional" and "not fit for purpose".
(well, OK, *my* purpose :->.)

I do appreciate the hard work going on here, and my point is not to
disrespect any of it!

I guess that I'm still in denial about something-working (a simple mail
list) being replaced by something only half-working (a complicated, yet
partial forum). I'll get past it, in time. Still, it hurtz ...

(Firmly stuck in the 80's I guess, in many ways ...)

Post by Wayne Warthen
It looks like "subscribing" to a topic or forum will automatically cause
you to receive an email when something is posted within the forum or topic
you have subscribed to. That is according to the manual -- I have not
proven it works.
--Wayne

Post by Wayne Warthen
I apologize if I was a bit strong in my opinion. I am also looking for a
way to get email notification and have not figured it out yet. I will be
surprised if that it not supported...
--Wayne

Post by Paul Birkel
It's tough being on the wrong side of history :-<. Can one subscribe to
the forum so as to get a notification/feed? VCF supports that, but I don't
see any controls as yet to accomplish that in this new forum. Will this
google groups list then be disestablished?

Post by Wayne Warthen
I strongly advocate for the forum style approach.
Mailing lists work great if your goal is to have relatively private,
conversations with known people.
Personally, I think the goal here should be to attract more people. A
mailing list absolutely does not do that (even if an archive is available).
I am thrilled to see the forum.
--Wayne

Post by Richard Cini
I agree. I've been a member of 6502.org for years and it works well.
Sent from my iPhone
Personally, I think that a forum has significant advantage over a
mailing list: much better capability to segregate topics and much better
archiving/searching capability. Head over to 6502.org and you can
find discussions that have progressed slowly over a period of months (and
which represent a valuable historical archive) -- typical mailserver
archives chunk the archives into per-month blocks, with no continuity
between them. In an ideal world, mail discussions would get condensed and
summaried as a wiki entry, but in reality that rarely happens.
I'd also like to take the opportunity to thank Andrew for stepping
forward to take on this project.
Neal.

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[Nikolay Dimitrov]

Hi Wayne,

I respect you personal preferences.

Looking at the amount of emails I receive daily (~2k) containing
patches and technical discussions of several open-source communities, I
doubt that the mail reflector intention is for private communication,
but it's quite the opposite - fast, efficient interaction and
transparency are the goals there.

Just fyi - please check the release reports of U-Boot, Buildroot. These
reports contain some interesting metrics, including the amount of
current and new contributors for each release. And all these projects
are using just mail reflectors (well, they also use patchwork, but
that's another story).

Regards,
Nikolay

Post by Wayne Warthen
I strongly advocate for the forum style approach.
Mailing lists work great if your goal is to have relatively private,
conversations with known people.
Personally, I think the goal here should be to attract more people. A
mailing list absolutely does not do that (even if an archive is available).
I am thrilled to see the forum.
--Wayne
I agree. I've been a member of 6502.org <http://6502.org> for years
and it works well.
Sent from my iPhone

Post by Neal Crook
Personally, I think that a forum has significant advantage over a
mailing list: much better capability to segregate topics and much
better archiving/searching capability. Head over to 6502.org
<http://6502.org> and you can find discussions that have
progressed slowly over a period of months (and which represent a
valuable historical archive) -- typical mailserver archives chunk
the archives into per-month blocks, with no continuity between
them. In an ideal world, mail discussions would get condensed and
summaried as a wiki entry, but in reality that rarely happens.
I'd also like to take the opportunity to thank Andrew for stepping
forward to take on this project.
Neal.
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[Wayne Warthen]

Hi Nikolay,

I fully respect your preferences as well. In the end, this is something I
believe we will need to agree to disagree on. That is OK.

I do want to make my rationale as clear as possible though. Your example
of U-Boot is actually exactly what I envisioned by an archived mailing
list. If you go to the U-Boot website, you see there is an mailing list
archive. When you go to the archive page, you are presented with a long
list of monthly gziped files. They are not searchable nor browseable
unless I download, ungzip, and index all of them. If I wanted to get
involved in U-Boot, I would be unlikely to ever download and index all of
those files.

Again, not trying to have a debate, just wanting to make my perspective
clear. In the end, I am thrilled to see that there is still great vibrancy
within this community and I will support whatever communication tools the
community establishes (though I do hope things do not bifurcate).

Thanks!

Wayne

Post by Nikolay Dimitrov
Hi Wayne,
I respect you personal preferences.
Looking at the amount of emails I receive daily (~2k) containing
patches and technical discussions of several open-source communities, I
doubt that the mail reflector intention is for private communication,
but it's quite the opposite - fast, efficient interaction and
transparency are the goals there.
Just fyi - please check the release reports of U-Boot, Buildroot. These
reports contain some interesting metrics, including the amount of
current and new contributors for each release. And all these projects
are using just mail reflectors (well, they also use patchwork, but
that's another story).
Regards,
Nikolay

Post by Wayne Warthen
I strongly advocate for the forum style approach.
Mailing lists work great if your goal is to have relatively private,
conversations with known people.
Personally, I think the goal here should be to attract more people. A
mailing list absolutely does not do that (even if an archive is

available).

Post by Wayne Warthen
I am thrilled to see the forum.
--Wayne
I agree. I've been a member of 6502.org <http://6502.org> for years
and it works well.
Sent from my iPhone

Post by Neal Crook
Personally, I think that a forum has significant advantage over a
mailing list: much better capability to segregate topics and much
better archiving/searching capability. Head over to 6502.org
<http://6502.org> and you can find discussions that have
progressed slowly over a period of months (and which represent a
valuable historical archive) -- typical mailserver archives chunk
the archives into per-month blocks, with no continuity between
them. In an ideal world, mail discussions would get condensed and
summaried as a wiki entry, but in reality that rarely happens.
I'd also like to take the opportunity to thank Andrew for stepping
forward to take on this project.
Neal.
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[Nikolay Dimitrov]

Hi Wayne,

Thanks for your comments as well.

Post by Wayne Warthen
I do want to make my rationale as clear as possible though. Your
example of U-Boot is actually exactly what I envisioned by an archived
mailing list. If you go to the U-Boot website, you see there is an
mailing list archive. When you go to the archive page, you are
presented with a long list of monthly gziped files. They are not
searchable nor browseable unless I download, ungzip, and index all of
them.

Fyi, please check this link:

http://lists.denx.de/pipermail/u-boot/

The archives are actually fully browsable by thread, subject, author,
date. There's no need to download/unzip the archives.

Post by Wayne Warthen
If I wanted to get involved in U-Boot, I would be unlikely to
ever download and index all of those files.

Exactly. I did get involved with U-Boot development, and I never had to
download/index any message archives. I usually just clone the git
repository, subscribe to the mailing list, and work on the stuff I'm
interested in, then send my patches and we discuss/rework them on the
ML. That's it.

Regards,
Nikolay

PS: Actually, there were several occasions when I was curious of the
technical rationale behind a specific patch, and I downloaded some of
the archives for offline searching. This is definitely nice capability,
but I can't have it via forum as forum searches are usually quite
broken, and I can't search when offline.

Post by Wayne Warthen
Hi Nikolay,
I fully respect your preferences as well. In the end, this is something
I believe we will need to agree to disagree on. That is OK.
I do want to make my rationale as clear as possible though. Your
example of U-Boot is actually exactly what I envisioned by an archived
mailing list. If you go to the U-Boot website, you see there is an
mailing list archive. When you go to the archive page, you are
presented with a long list of monthly gziped files. They are not
searchable nor browseable unless I download, ungzip, and index all of
them. If I wanted to get involved in U-Boot, I would be unlikely to
ever download and index all of those files.
Again, not trying to have a debate, just wanting to make my perspective
clear. In the end, I am thrilled to see that there is still great
vibrancy within this community and I will support whatever communication
tools the community establishes (though I do hope things do not bifurcate).
Thanks!
Wayne
Hi Wayne,
I respect you personal preferences.
Looking at the amount of emails I receive daily (~2k) containing
patches and technical discussions of several open-source communities, I
doubt that the mail reflector intention is for private communication,
but it's quite the opposite - fast, efficient interaction and
transparency are the goals there.
Just fyi - please check the release reports of U-Boot, Buildroot. These
reports contain some interesting metrics, including the amount of
current and new contributors for each release. And all these projects
are using just mail reflectors (well, they also use patchwork, but
that's another story).
Regards,
Nikolay

Post by Wayne Warthen
I strongly advocate for the forum style approach.
Mailing lists work great if your goal is to have relatively private,
conversations with known people.
Personally, I think the goal here should be to attract more

people. A

Post by Wayne Warthen
mailing list absolutely does not do that (even if an archive is

available).

Post by Wayne Warthen
I am thrilled to see the forum.
--Wayne
On Sunday, November 1, 2015 at 8:42:11 AM UTC-8, AltairManRich
I agree. I've been a member of 6502.org <http://6502.org>

<http://6502.org> for years

Post by Wayne Warthen
and it works well.
Sent from my iPhone

Post by Neal Crook
Personally, I think that a forum has significant advantage

over a

Post by Wayne Warthen

Post by Neal Crook
mailing list: much better capability to segregate topics and

much

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Post by Neal Crook
better archiving/searching capability. Head over to 6502.org

<http://6502.org>

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Post by Neal Crook
<http://6502.org> and you can find discussions that have
progressed slowly over a period of months (and which

represent a

Post by Wayne Warthen

Post by Neal Crook
valuable historical archive) -- typical mailserver archives

chunk

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condensed and

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I'd also like to take the opportunity to thank Andrew for

stepping

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['lynchaj' via N8VEM]

Hi
It is time to migrate away from the N8VEM Google Group and to the new site
Andrew Bingham has set up.

Please direct all future posts to the new site. This group will be deleted
soon.

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All,
I had a lot of trouble getting GNU Mailmain to work on the shared hosting.
Emails from the list to me were not coming through to me. Because of the
way the shared hosting works, the Mailman installation is not
per-shared-hosting but is shared between everyone and located on the
a2hosting domains, which makes the archives not visible, etc. It just
seemed like it would be a hard thing to get up and running. Add on top of
that the need to create a static archive of the mailing list to make
available to new members, and things were going to get quite complicated.
We need to have something new up and running, since Andrew L. intends to
close this group.
Because of this, I have chosen to go with a small forum installation
instead. We have ~80 people registered on the new Wiki at this point. I
don't think it will be a big deal to manage a forum for that number of
people. I have selected https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FUDforum as the
hosting software - because it stores the forum messages in simple text
files, similar to how Docuwiki uses flat files. Again, the goal is to use
something that is simple and keeps our messages in an accessible format.
The forum is essentially its own archive, so it's one less thing for me to
manage as an admin.
The new forum is at - http://retrobrewcomputers.org/forum/
*I am working on a way to have a single login/password for both the forum
and the wiki. This will likely mean setting the wiki to pull passwords
from the forum login database. Please don't manually register for the
forum at this time - just sign up for the wiki - I will create accounts for
everyone with the same username/email as your wiki accounts to facilitate
this future change-over.*
Forum invites will start going out for people who have signed up for the
wiki right now, as fast as I can add you all.
Andrew

[Nikolay Dimitrov]

Hi Andrew,

On 11/05/2015 10:13 PM, 'lynchaj' via N8VEM wrote:> Hi

Post by 'lynchaj' via N8VEM
It is time to migrate away from the N8VEM Google Group and to the new
site Andrew Bingham has set up.
Please direct all future posts to the new site. This group will be
deleted soon.

Is it possible to rename the group to something like "retrobrew" and
transfer the group ownership to Andrew Bingham?

Regards,
Nikolay

[Andrew Bingham]

I manged to trigger some *outgoing* email spam filter so notification
emails are not making it out from the forum software. It's escalated to
the highest level of support at the hosting company and they are working it
(we are emailing back and forth on it right now).

*The forum is working, but I am having to send manual password resets out
to users for both the forum and the wiki*. *So if you are having trouble
logging in, don't bang your head against the wall, just shoot me an email
at ***@gmail.com and I'll get you fixed up.*

Really sorry for the inconvenience for everyone.

Andrew

Post by 'lynchaj' via N8VEM
Hi
It is time to migrate away from the N8VEM Google Group and to the new site
Andrew Bingham has set up.
Please direct all future posts to the new site. This group will be
deleted soon.

Post by Andrew Bingham
All,
I had a lot of trouble getting GNU Mailmain to work on the shared
hosting. Emails from the list to me were not coming through to me.
Because of the way the shared hosting works, the Mailman installation is
not per-shared-hosting but is shared between everyone and located on the
a2hosting domains, which makes the archives not visible, etc. It just
seemed like it would be a hard thing to get up and running. Add on top of
that the need to create a static archive of the mailing list to make
available to new members, and things were going to get quite complicated.
We need to have something new up and running, since Andrew L. intends to
close this group.
Because of this, I have chosen to go with a small forum installation
instead. We have ~80 people registered on the new Wiki at this point. I
don't think it will be a big deal to manage a forum for that number of
people. I have selected https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FUDforum as the
hosting software - because it stores the forum messages in simple text
files, similar to how Docuwiki uses flat files. Again, the goal is to use
something that is simple and keeps our messages in an accessible format.
The forum is essentially its own archive, so it's one less thing for me to
manage as an admin.
The new forum is at - http://retrobrewcomputers.org/forum/
*I am working on a way to have a single login/password for both the forum
and the wiki. This will likely mean setting the wiki to pull passwords
from the forum login database. Please don't manually register for the
forum at this time - just sign up for the wiki - I will create accounts for
everyone with the same username/email as your wiki accounts to facilitate
this future change-over.*
Forum invites will start going out for people who have signed up for the
wiki right now, as fast as I can add you all.
Andrew