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Kip,<br>
<br>
The need for wait-states is determined by the memory speed.<br>
<br>
An 18.432Mhz oscillator at 2X clocking is actually running the CPU
at a speed higher than the manufacturer guarantees. The risk is
overheating and burning it out. In checking out this speed, I used
the finger test to check the temperature of the chip. The plastic
package is warm, but not hot. My conclusion is that it is probably
safe to run a 33Mhz Z180 at 36.864Mhz, and a lot of folks are doing
this.<br>
<br>
Faster memory would allow running at 0 w.s., but I am not
complaining.<br>
<br>
The main issue with running at such a high speed concerns the use of
old peripheral chips. Even at 4 I/O wait states, some are just not
fast enough to insure reliable operation. The good news with Mark
IV is that CF cards and SD cards can all cope with the great
peripheral speed very comfortably.<br>
<br>
--John<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 03/13/2015 09:06 PM, Kip Koon wrote:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);">></span> With the 18.432Mhz oscillator at 2x
overclocking, the fastest anyone has been able to run is with
1 wait state. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">That would make sense since the fastest a
33MHZ chip can theoretically run with 2x overclocking is with
a 33mhz/2=16.5MHZ or less frequency oscillator and 18.432 is
clearly higher than that. Would a 16.5MHZ with 2x
overclocking run correctly? How about just using a 33MHZ
oscillator with no overclocking? Of course, this is still
all theoretical for me since I’m still getting chips
together. :) What do you think John?<span
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<p class="MsoNormal">Aug,<br>
<br>
The "Effective: XX.XXmhz" speed is an estimated performance
speed, assuming one could run with Zero wait states.<br>
<br>
With the 18.432Mhz oscillator at 2x overclocking, the fastest
anyone has been able to run is with 1 wait state. In my
testing, a 14.318Mhz oscillator, 2x clocking (28mhz), is the
fastest I have been able to run at 0 wait states.<br>
<br>
--John<br>
<br>
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On 03/12/2015 05:57 PM, AG5AT wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">All,<br>
<br>
I have gotten my new Mark IV up and running. Well once I
figured out that the serial cable isn't the same as the
N8VEM boards. Once I figured that out, it just came up and
ran. Before figuring out the Blinky Blinky from John's Test
instructions, I wasn't sure what wasn't right. I knew it
was sort of running because the SD card light was blinking.
Well I found out my red/green led from chicken shack was
"backwards". Red was RUN.. So I turned it around, all fine.<br>
<br>
It is built with all AHCT chips as I did my Zeta, although I
will probably have to replace U25 with an LS240. <br>
<br>
I started out with a 10mhz Z180 and a 9.216mhz clock. That
worked fine.. (1x clock, 0 wait, 1 i/o wait). I then stuck
an 18.432mhz clock in (still 1x, 0 wait, 1 i/o) and it ran.<br>
Next was getting an SD card running. Wandered thru Will's
UNA instructions a few time, and went ahead and put a
partition on a 256mb SD, all went well. <br>
Onward to IDE CF card. All worked fine.<br>
<br>
Next tried overclocking.... It didn't work. So I put a 20
mhz chip in. Same results. So I added one memory wait.<br>
<br>
Welcome to Single Board Computing on the N8VEM SBC Z180 Mark
IV<br>
running on a Z180 advanced S-class processor<br>
with 512K of RAM and 512K of ROM<br>
UNA BIOS version 1.00-17 of
01-Aug-2014. (6)<br>
<br>
Do you wish to enter SETUP? [N/y]: <br>
Configuring the Z180 SBC Mark IV board:<br>
Oscillator: 18.432 Mhz Clock PHI: 36.864 Mhz
Effective: 29.10 Mhz<br>
<br>
I am not sure other than trying to use a 20mhz at 36mhz. I
probably will get a 33mhz chip.<br>
<br>
Anyway, this is an awesome fun board. Next onward to
Fuzix. (I am a Unix guy). <br>
<br>
Aug<br>
In Arkansas<o:p></o:p></p>
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