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[N8VEM: 19998] Minimum amperage and wattage for power to N8VEM SBCV2 and ECB Backplane-8?
Christopher Trumbour
2015-08-17 00:44:25 UTC
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So I don't have a spare working PC power supply on hand to properly test my
builds with. I DO, however, have a spare one of these
<http://www.jammaboards.com/store/12a-arcade-switching-power-supply-w-24vdc-md-9916a-24v.html>,
which I can make cable to use with my N8VEM SBCV2 and ECB Backplane-8. But
would this be overkill, or not enough? Also, it'd be a bit cumbersome to
have nearby without me getting a proper housing for the stuff, which will
be pretty big with the addition of this power supply... or I could get
something like this
<http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/VSK-S1-5U/102-2595-ND/3465373>
and wire it up... or maybe there's a cheaper DIY solution I'm not seeing?
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Andrew Bingham
2015-08-17 01:34:25 UTC
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When I asked John C. about this in the past, his rule-of-thumb was about
0.5A @ 5V per board. So the 5V channel on the supply you linked, at 4A,
would be good for about 8 boards.

You could go with an external supply like this
- http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10001&productId=2202870&catalogId=10001&CID=CAT152PDF
or
http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10001&productId=379623&catalogId=10001&CID=CAT152PDF
- and then you wouldn't need any power supply inside your enclosure.

You could also get a small AC-to-5V enclosed supply - something like
- http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10001&productId=323282&catalogId=10001&CID=CAT152PDF
- and wire that up. You probably want a fuse on the input, so something
like that is a good option to hook it up to
- http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10001&productId=2189521&catalogId=10001&CID=CAT152PDF
+ the fuses.

You want to make sure it's a regulated supply.

Andrew
Post by Christopher Trumbour
So I don't have a spare working PC power supply on hand to properly test
my builds with. I DO, however, have a spare one of these
<http://www.jammaboards.com/store/12a-arcade-switching-power-supply-w-24vdc-md-9916a-24v.html>,
which I can make cable to use with my N8VEM SBCV2 and ECB Backplane-8. But
would this be overkill, or not enough? Also, it'd be a bit cumbersome to
have nearby without me getting a proper housing for the stuff, which will
be pretty big with the addition of this power supply... or I could get
something like this
<http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/VSK-S1-5U/102-2595-ND/3465373>
and wire it up... or maybe there's a cheaper DIY solution I'm not seeing?
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John Coffman
2015-08-17 03:59:24 UTC
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Christopher,<br>
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I agree, the blue supply, should be your first option.&nbsp; The little
supply on Digikey only puts out 200ma; not enough for more than one
board, and a bit anemic at that.<br>
<br>
I'm using the Jameco MeanWell RD-35A (***@4A + ***@1A) on 3 different
backplanes.&nbsp; As long as your supply does not require the 12v &amp;
24v outputs to be loaded, in addition to the 5v output, I'd say it
looks ideal.<br>
<br>
I believe I have heard of the Jameco RD-50A (***@6A + ***@3A) being
used with the 12-slot backplane.<br>
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--John<br>
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[RD-35A spec'd at 80mv ripple on the 5v supply from 0.3-4A.&nbsp; I
measure 50mv ripple on the MC68030 CPU board; but I don't know how
accurate my VOM is at that low level.]<br>
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On 08/16/2015 06:34 PM, Andrew Bingham wrote:
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cite="mid:28030228-0675-44be-89e7-***@googlegroups.com"
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<div dir="ltr">When I asked John C. about this in the past, his
rule-of-thumb was about 0.5A @ 5V per board. &Acirc;&nbsp;So the 5V channel
on the supply you linked, at 4A, would be good for about 8
boards.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>You could go with an external supply like this
-&Acirc;&nbsp;<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&amp;storeId=10001&amp;productId=2202870&amp;catalogId=10001&amp;CID=CAT152PDF">http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&amp;storeId=10001&amp;productId=2202870&amp;catalogId=10001&amp;CID=CAT152PDF</a>
or
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&amp;storeId=10001&amp;productId=379623&amp;catalogId=10001&amp;CID=CAT152PDF">http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&amp;storeId=10001&amp;productId=379623&amp;catalogId=10001&amp;CID=CAT152PDF</a>
- and then you wouldn't need any power supply inside your
enclosure.<br>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>You could also get a small AC-to-5V enclosed supply -
something like
-&Acirc;&nbsp;<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&amp;storeId=10001&amp;productId=323282&amp;catalogId=10001&amp;CID=CAT152PDF">http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&amp;storeId=10001&amp;productId=323282&amp;catalogId=10001&amp;CID=CAT152PDF</a>
- and wire that up. &Acirc;&nbsp;You probably want a fuse on the input,
so something like that is a good option to hook it up to
-&Acirc;&nbsp;<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&amp;storeId=10001&amp;productId=2189521&amp;catalogId=10001&amp;CID=CAT152PDF">http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&amp;storeId=10001&amp;productId=2189521&amp;catalogId=10001&amp;CID=CAT152PDF</a>
+ the fuses.</div>
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<div>You want to make sure it's a regulated supply.</div>
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<div>Andrew</div>
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On Sunday, August 16, 2015 at 5:44:25 PM UTC-7,
Christopher Trumbour wrote:
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<div dir="ltr">So I don't have a spare working PC power
supply on hand to properly test my builds with. I DO,
however, have a spare one of <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.jammaboards.com/store/12a-arcade-switching-power-supply-w-24vdc-md-9916a-24v.html"
target="_blank" rel="nofollow">these</a>, which I
can make cable to use with my N8VEM SBCV2 and ECB
Backplane-8. But would this be overkill, or not
enough? Also, it'd be a bit cumbersome to have nearby
without me getting a proper housing for the stuff,
which will be pretty big with the addition of this
power supply... or I could get something like <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/VSK-S1-5U/102-2595-ND/3465373"
target="_blank" rel="nofollow">this</a> and wire it
up... or maybe there's a cheaper DIY solution I'm not
seeing?<br>
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Anders Carlsson
2015-08-17 06:59:48 UTC
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Hello,

With due respect to that I don't know about the power requirements for the backplane, I have found that those cheap HDD supplies from China, similar to Jameco part no 2202870 that Andrew B linked to, fit the bill for a N8VEM SBC (mine is V1, but I'd think the power requirements are the same for a V2).

This kind is marked 5V 2A + 12V 2A and has an input range of 100-240V AC.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/281409910465 ($3.40 + free shipping)

There are dozens or hundreds of resellers on eBay of the same type of supply, so just search for 5V 12V power supply if you need another reseller. If you want it faster, you might be able to find a local importer which sells it for 3-4 times the price.

For the record, I have used one of those to power a Sinclair PC200 (all-in-one 8088 model) with floppy drive but no hard drive for an entire day without it crashing or get crazy hot, so I believe it should live up to its specs. It is possible that Jameco, Digikey etc already resells the exact same.

Best regards

Anders Carlsson
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So I don't have a spare working PC power supply on hand to properly test my builds with. I DO, however, have a spare one of these, which I can make cable to use with my N8VEM SBCV2 and ECB Backplane-8. But would this be overkill, or not enough? Also, it'd be a bit cumbersome to have nearby without me getting a proper housing for the stuff, which will be pretty big with the addition of this power supply... or I could get something like this and wire it up... or maybe there's a cheaper DIY solution I'm not seeing?
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Andrew Bingham
2015-08-18 03:17:13 UTC
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I would be wary of random eBay supplies. Some of them are crappy linear / unregulated supplies and not labeled as such. Better to spend a few more dollars and get something that you know is a nice regulated switching supply.

Andrew
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Christopher Trumbour
2015-08-17 21:38:19 UTC
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Thanks guys, this is the info I needed.

I have no idea if the power supply I have needs a load on +12V, so I'll
leave it aside for the time being. I DO have one of these
<http://www.jammaboards.com/store/power-emi-filter-with-built-in-switch-emi-pf06g.html>
handy, so I can wire that between the supply and the outlet for the fuse
and switch, plus the ground connection, so I can use that with the supply
Andrew linked to (ID 323282) to power everything. Alright, I'll order it up
and finally get things going when it arrives.
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Christopher Trumbour
2015-08-20 20:39:21 UTC
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Alright, good news: got the power supply, wired it up, backplane works!
Bad news: Something is wrong with the N8VEM. Either I messed up making the
serial cable (which, let me just say, is an AWFUL procedure. IT STINKS)
and/or something is wrong with the ECB connection. Solo, the LED on the
board lit up but I could not get a serial connection going with what was
suggested in a previous thread (USB Serial port plus making a cable). CPU
did not get hot. On the backplane, the LED did NOT light up, and the CPU
started getting hot.

Also, an addenum: Molex can go die in a fire. Went to unplug the power from
the backplane, and it... took the power connection *off the board.* And the
shroud came off separate from the pins, so I had to extract the pins with
pliers, then reassemble the connector, then desolder the holes on the PCB,
then resolder the whole thing together. It was awful, and could have been
avoided had everyone adopted a more sane power connector for hard drives.
Urrrrgh!
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Sergey
2015-08-20 21:59:53 UTC
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The CPU getting hot doesn't sound very encouraging... check the power
supply voltage and polarity...

There is a tons of reasons why SBC will not show any signs of life. RS-232
wiring is only one of them. I think it was a page on N8VEM Wiki with
troubleshooting instructions, and there is a bunch of them on this mailing
list as well.
My own recommendation would be: extract all the ICs, plug in the power, and
verify that every IC gets its 5V on the power supply pins (between GND and
VCC). Also double check your soldering work... not soldered pins, cold
solder joints, electrolytic capacitors, diodes, IC sockets put in reverse
are some very common assembling problems.
Once you're sure that you get stable power supply and your soldering looks
good, you can put ICs back, and try again. If it still doesn't work use a
multimeter with frequency measurement function to check CPU clock
frequency, activity on CPU control lines and lower address lines, ROM/RAM
chip selects, etc.

Molex rant - They've fixed it in SATA which helps with newer hard drives,
but not with N8VEM board :-) I personally built a small harness with DC
jack connector on one end and Molex on the other, and kept it connected to
the board...

On Thursday, August 20, 2015 at 1:39:22 PM UTC-7, Christopher Trumbour
Post by Christopher Trumbour
Alright, good news: got the power supply, wired it up, backplane works!
Bad news: Something is wrong with the N8VEM. Either I messed up making the
serial cable (which, let me just say, is an AWFUL procedure. IT STINKS)
and/or something is wrong with the ECB connection. Solo, the LED on the
board lit up but I could not get a serial connection going with what was
suggested in a previous thread (USB Serial port plus making a cable). CPU
did not get hot. On the backplane, the LED did NOT light up, and the CPU
started getting hot.
Also, an addenum: Molex can go die in a fire. Went to unplug the power
from the backplane, and it... took the power connection *off the board.*
And the shroud came off separate from the pins, so I had to extract the
pins with pliers, then reassemble the connector, then desolder the holes on
the PCB, then resolder the whole thing together. It was awful, and could
have been avoided had everyone adopted a more sane power connector for hard
drives. Urrrrgh!
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Christopher Trumbour
2015-08-21 00:54:15 UTC
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Yeah, I'll pull the ICs and test everything with a multimeter this weekend.
Right now I'm just feeling burned out a bit, and I have a long shift at
work tomorrow. Thanks for the advice!
Post by Sergey
The CPU getting hot doesn't sound very encouraging... check the power
supply voltage and polarity...
There is a tons of reasons why SBC will not show any signs of life. RS-232
wiring is only one of them. I think it was a page on N8VEM Wiki with
troubleshooting instructions, and there is a bunch of them on this mailing
list as well.
My own recommendation would be: extract all the ICs, plug in the power,
and verify that every IC gets its 5V on the power supply pins (between GND
and VCC). Also double check your soldering work... not soldered pins, cold
solder joints, electrolytic capacitors, diodes, IC sockets put in reverse
are some very common assembling problems.
Once you're sure that you get stable power supply and your soldering looks
good, you can put ICs back, and try again. If it still doesn't work use a
multimeter with frequency measurement function to check CPU clock
frequency, activity on CPU control lines and lower address lines, ROM/RAM
chip selects, etc.
Molex rant - They've fixed it in SATA which helps with newer hard drives,
but not with N8VEM board :-) I personally built a small harness with DC
jack connector on one end and Molex on the other, and kept it connected to
the board...
On Thursday, August 20, 2015 at 1:39:22 PM UTC-7, Christopher Trumbour
Post by Christopher Trumbour
Alright, good news: got the power supply, wired it up, backplane works!
Bad news: Something is wrong with the N8VEM. Either I messed up making
the serial cable (which, let me just say, is an AWFUL procedure. IT STINKS)
and/or something is wrong with the ECB connection. Solo, the LED on the
board lit up but I could not get a serial connection going with what was
suggested in a previous thread (USB Serial port plus making a cable). CPU
did not get hot. On the backplane, the LED did NOT light up, and the CPU
started getting hot.
Also, an addenum: Molex can go die in a fire. Went to unplug the power
from the backplane, and it... took the power connection *off the board.*
And the shroud came off separate from the pins, so I had to extract the
pins with pliers, then reassemble the connector, then desolder the holes on
the PCB, then resolder the whole thing together. It was awful, and could
have been avoided had everyone adopted a more sane power connector for hard
drives. Urrrrgh!
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