[N8VEM: 18352] 6x0x Board Update & Documentation Help From Prototype Builders

[Andrew Bingham]

All,

The 6x0x boards should be finishing fabrication on 7/7/14 and based on
DHL's delivery speed to me on the left coast here I expect to have the
boards on ~7/10/14. At which point I will post some pictures for everyone
and generate PayPal Invoices for all the folks who ordered to pay for their
boards.

One request - I've used the Zeta documentation page as a template and
created the skeleton of a documentation page for the 6x0x board at
- http://n8vem-sbc.pbworks.com/w/page/82119161/ECB%206x0x-ATX-6U

Since I did not build one of the prototype boards, it would be very useful
to me if the folks who did build the Rev 008 prototypes could review the
documentation page and provide any inputs. Especially the IC selection and
software sections. You can either edit the page directly or send an email
with what you want added and I'll do it.

We are going to have 65 of these boards out in the wild (and I will be
collecting names for a 2nd batch as well if there is demand) and I'd really
like to have the highest quality documentation possible to go with them.
Andrew L., John C. and the prototype builders put a lot of work into this
board and I expect it to be a new flagship of the N8VEM project. I'm
really just honored to be able to get them made and distributed to everyone.

Thanks,

Andrew B

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[oscarv]

Andrew,

Thanks for all the effort you're putting in. I'm very much looking forward
to it!

Regards,

Oscar.

On Wednesday, July 2, 2014 8:51:10 AM UTC+2, Andrew Bingham wrote:
>
> All,
>
> The 6x0x boards should be finishing fabrication on 7/7/14 and based on
> DHL's delivery speed to me on the left coast here I expect to have the
> boards on ~7/10/14. At which point I will post some pictures for everyone
> and generate PayPal Invoices for all the folks who ordered to pay for their
> boards.
>
> One request - I've used the Zeta documentation page as a template and
> created the skeleton of a documentation page for the 6x0x board at -
> http://n8vem-sbc.pbworks.com/w/page/82119161/ECB%206x0x-ATX-6U
>
> Since I did not build one of the prototype boards, it would be very useful
> to me if the folks who did build the Rev 008 prototypes could review the
> documentation page and provide any inputs. Especially the IC selection and
> software sections. You can either edit the page directly or send an email
> with what you want added and I'll do it.
>
> We are going to have 65 of these boards out in the wild (and I will be
> collecting names for a 2nd batch as well if there is demand) and I'd really
> like to have the highest quality documentation possible to go with them.
> Andrew L., John C. and the prototype builders put a lot of work into this
> board and I expect it to be a new flagship of the N8VEM project. I'm
> really just honored to be able to get them made and distributed to everyone.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Andrew B
>

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[george Harris]

Thanks especially for the documentation effort. That really helps a lot.
Looking forward to building this computer. Mine will be a 65C02.

-George


On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 7:32 AM, oscarv <vermeulen.oscar-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> Andrew,
>
> Thanks for all the effort you're putting in. I'm very much looking forward
> to it!
>
> Regards,
>
> Oscar.
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 2, 2014 8:51:10 AM UTC+2, Andrew Bingham wrote:
>>
>> All,
>>
>> The 6x0x boards should be finishing fabrication on 7/7/14 and based on
>> DHL's delivery speed to me on the left coast here I expect to have the
>> boards on ~7/10/14. At which point I will post some pictures for everyone
>> and generate PayPal Invoices for all the folks who ordered to pay for their
>> boards.
>>
>> One request - I've used the Zeta documentation page as a template and
>> created the skeleton of a documentation page for the 6x0x board at -
>> http://n8vem-sbc.pbworks.com/w/page/82119161/ECB%206x0x-ATX-6U
>>
>> Since I did not build one of the prototype boards, it would be very
>> useful to me if the folks who did build the Rev 008 prototypes could review
>> the documentation page and provide any inputs. Especially the IC selection
>> and software sections. You can either edit the page directly or send an
>> email with what you want added and I'll do it.
>>
>> We are going to have 65 of these boards out in the wild (and I will be
>> collecting names for a 2nd batch as well if there is demand) and I'd really
>> like to have the highest quality documentation possible to go with them.
>> Andrew L., John C. and the prototype builders put a lot of work into this
>> board and I expect it to be a new flagship of the N8VEM project. I'm
>> really just honored to be able to get them made and distributed to everyone.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Andrew B
>>
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[Dan Werner]

Make sure you check out dos/65! The docs are a but thin, but but there is
a quick start pdf that should be sufficient to bring the system up.

Dan Werner
On Jul 4, 2014 11:56 AM, "george Harris" <gunpilot8161-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> Thanks especially for the documentation effort. That really helps a lot.
> Looking forward to building this computer. Mine will be a 65C02.
>
> -George
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 7:32 AM, oscarv <vermeulen.oscar-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
>> Andrew,
>>
>> Thanks for all the effort you're putting in. I'm very much looking
>> forward to it!
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Oscar.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 2, 2014 8:51:10 AM UTC+2, Andrew Bingham wrote:
>>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> The 6x0x boards should be finishing fabrication on 7/7/14 and based on
>>> DHL's delivery speed to me on the left coast here I expect to have the
>>> boards on ~7/10/14. At which point I will post some pictures for everyone
>>> and generate PayPal Invoices for all the folks who ordered to pay for their
>>> boards.
>>>
>>> One request - I've used the Zeta documentation page as a template and
>>> created the skeleton of a documentation page for the 6x0x board at -
>>> http://n8vem-sbc.pbworks.com/w/page/82119161/ECB%206x0x-ATX-6U
>>>
>>> Since I did not build one of the prototype boards, it would be very
>>> useful to me if the folks who did build the Rev 008 prototypes could review
>>> the documentation page and provide any inputs. Especially the IC selection
>>> and software sections. You can either edit the page directly or send an
>>> email with what you want added and I'll do it.
>>>
>>> We are going to have 65 of these boards out in the wild (and I will be
>>> collecting names for a 2nd batch as well if there is demand) and I'd really
>>> like to have the highest quality documentation possible to go with them.
>>> Andrew L., John C. and the prototype builders put a lot of work into this
>>> board and I expect it to be a new flagship of the N8VEM project. I'm
>>> really just honored to be able to get them made and distributed to everyone.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Andrew B
>>>
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[RichLeary]

Dan,

Are the DOS/65 docs in a specific location on PBWorks? I would be glad to
upload the most current .pdf files as well as the most current ,asm files
for everything.

Let me know if any such steps would help.

Rich Leary

On Saturday, July 5, 2014 11:29:38 PM UTC-6, Dan Werner wrote:
>
> Make sure you check out dos/65! The docs are a but thin, but but there is
> a quick start pdf that should be sufficient to bring the system up.
>
> Dan Werner
>

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[Dan Werner]

I included the DOS/65 manuals in the source code zip file here:

http://n8vem-sbc.pbworks.com/w/browse/#view=ViewFolder&param=ECB%206x0x%20Host%20Processor

There is also a PDF file in the Quick start zip file that describes getting
the 6x0x board up and running and getting the DOS/65 support files loaded.
The quick start zip is here:

http://n8vem-sbc.pbworks.com/w/browse/#view=ViewFolder&param=Build%20and%20Test%20-%20rev008





On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 10:52 AM, RichLeary <RichardALeary-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> Dan,
>
> Are the DOS/65 docs in a specific location on PBWorks? I would be glad to
> upload the most current .pdf files as well as the most current ,asm files
> for everything.
>
> Let me know if any such steps would help.
>
> Rich Leary
>
>
> On Saturday, July 5, 2014 11:29:38 PM UTC-6, Dan Werner wrote:
>>
>> Make sure you check out dos/65! The docs are a but thin, but but there
>> is a quick start pdf that should be sufficient to bring the system up.
>>
>> Dan Werner
>>
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[RichLeary]

Got it! I looked and most of what is there is either up to date or close.
For example current version of SYSGEN is 2.17 but there are no functional
differences of significance between 2.15 and 2.17. There are some
documentation updates that should be posted.

I will prepare a single .zip file with SOURCE and DOC directories filled
and will upload it to a new DOS/65 folder. I think people need to see the
.ASM source files so they will be there. I can supply .KIM, .HEX, or .S19
object files as needed...

Thanks,

Rich Leary

On Monday, July 7, 2014 10:41:25 AM UTC-6, Dan Werner wrote:
>
> I included the DOS/65 manuals in the source code zip file here:
>
>
> http://n8vem-sbc.pbworks.com/w/browse/#view=ViewFolder&param=ECB%206x0x%20Host%20Processor
>
> There is also a PDF file in the Quick start zip file that describes
> getting the 6x0x board up and running and getting the DOS/65 support files
> loaded. The quick start zip is here:
>
>
> http://n8vem-sbc.pbworks.com/w/browse/#view=ViewFolder&param=Build%20and%20Test%20-%20rev008
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 10:52 AM, RichLeary <Richar...-***@public.gmane.org
> <javascript:>> wrote:
>
>> Dan,
>>
>> Are the DOS/65 docs in a specific location on PBWorks? I would be glad to
>> upload the most current .pdf files as well as the most current ,asm files
>> for everything.
>>
>> Let me know if any such steps would help.
>>
>> Rich Leary
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, July 5, 2014 11:29:38 PM UTC-6, Dan Werner wrote:
>>>
>>> Make sure you check out dos/65! The docs are a but thin, but but there
>>> is a quick start pdf that should be sufficient to bring the system up.
>>>
>>> Dan Werner
>>>
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[Dan Werner]

Thanks Rich!

Let me know if you see any thing in the 6x0x port that is not quite up to
standards!


Dan Werner


On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 12:12 PM, RichLeary <RichardALeary-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> Got it! I looked and most of what is there is either up to date or close.
> For example current version of SYSGEN is 2.17 but there are no functional
> differences of significance between 2.15 and 2.17. There are some
> documentation updates that should be posted.
>
> I will prepare a single .zip file with SOURCE and DOC directories filled
> and will upload it to a new DOS/65 folder. I think people need to see the
> .ASM source files so they will be there. I can supply .KIM, .HEX, or .S19
> object files as needed...
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rich Leary
>
>
> On Monday, July 7, 2014 10:41:25 AM UTC-6, Dan Werner wrote:
>
>> I included the DOS/65 manuals in the source code zip file here:
>>
>> http://n8vem-sbc.pbworks.com/w/browse/#view=ViewFolder&
>> param=ECB%206x0x%20Host%20Processor
>>
>> There is also a PDF file in the Quick start zip file that describes
>> getting the 6x0x board up and running and getting the DOS/65 support files
>> loaded. The quick start zip is here:
>>
>> http://n8vem-sbc.pbworks.com/w/browse/#view=ViewFolder&
>> param=Build%20and%20Test%20-%20rev008
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 10:52 AM, RichLeary <Richar...-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Dan,
>>>
>>> Are the DOS/65 docs in a specific location on PBWorks? I would be glad
>>> to upload the most current .pdf files as well as the most current ,asm
>>> files for everything.
>>>
>>> Let me know if any such steps would help.
>>>
>>> Rich Leary
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, July 5, 2014 11:29:38 PM UTC-6, Dan Werner wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Make sure you check out dos/65! The docs are a but thin, but but there
>>>> is a quick start pdf that should be sufficient to bring the system up.
>>>>
>>>> Dan Werner
>>>>
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[Andrew Bingham]

The 6x0x boards have arrived! I sent a direct email to everyone on the
list with payment info, etc.

Attached are some pictures of the shipment and one of the boards. I went
with 2 oz copper, ENIG, and black soldermask and they look great.

Andrew B

On Tuesday, July 1, 2014 11:51:10 PM UTC-7, Andrew Bingham wrote:
>
> All,
>
> The 6x0x boards should be finishing fabrication on 7/7/14 and based on
> DHL's delivery speed to me on the left coast here I expect to have the
> boards on ~7/10/14. At which point I will post some pictures for everyone
> and generate PayPal Invoices for all the folks who ordered to pay for their
> boards.
>
> One request - I've used the Zeta documentation page as a template and
> created the skeleton of a documentation page for the 6x0x board at -
> http://n8vem-sbc.pbworks.com/w/page/82119161/ECB%206x0x-ATX-6U
>
> Since I did not build one of the prototype boards, it would be very useful
> to me if the folks who did build the Rev 008 prototypes could review the
> documentation page and provide any inputs. Especially the IC selection and
> software sections. You can either edit the page directly or send an email
> with what you want added and I'll do it.
>
> We are going to have 65 of these boards out in the wild (and I will be
> collecting names for a 2nd batch as well if there is demand) and I'd really
> like to have the highest quality documentation possible to go with them.
> Andrew L., John C. and the prototype builders put a lot of work into this
> board and I expect it to be a new flagship of the N8VEM project. I'm
> really just honored to be able to get them made and distributed to everyone.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Andrew B
>

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[Edward Snider]

They look great, who did you use as the fabricator?

Ed

On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 3:54:27 PM UTC-5, Andrew Bingham wrote:
>
> The 6x0x boards have arrived! I sent a direct email to everyone on the
> list with payment info, etc.
>
> Attached are some pictures of the shipment and one of the boards. I went
> with 2 oz copper, ENIG, and black soldermask and they look great.
>
> Andrew B
>
> On Tuesday, July 1, 2014 11:51:10 PM UTC-7, Andrew Bingham wrote:
>>
>> All,
>>
>> The 6x0x boards should be finishing fabrication on 7/7/14 and based on
>> DHL's delivery speed to me on the left coast here I expect to have the
>> boards on ~7/10/14. At which point I will post some pictures for everyone
>> and generate PayPal Invoices for all the folks who ordered to pay for their
>> boards.
>>
>> One request - I've used the Zeta documentation page as a template and
>> created the skeleton of a documentation page for the 6x0x board at -
>> http://n8vem-sbc.pbworks.com/w/page/82119161/ECB%206x0x-ATX-6U
>>
>> Since I did not build one of the prototype boards, it would be very
>> useful to me if the folks who did build the Rev 008 prototypes could review
>> the documentation page and provide any inputs. Especially the IC selection
>> and software sections. You can either edit the page directly or send an
>> email with what you want added and I'll do it.
>>
>> We are going to have 65 of these boards out in the wild (and I will be
>> collecting names for a 2nd batch as well if there is demand) and I'd really
>> like to have the highest quality documentation possible to go with them.
>> Andrew L., John C. and the prototype builders put a lot of work into this
>> board and I expect it to be a new flagship of the N8VEM project. I'm
>> really just honored to be able to get them made and distributed to everyone.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Andrew B
>>
>

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[Andrew Bingham]

PCBCART, same as Andrew L. has used in the past. They have a 1-time
tooling charge where some of the other services don't, but I wanted to
stick with a known company for these.

I figured these would be stand-alone in a lot of people's ATX cases and I
wanted them to stand out a bit, hence the black.

Andrew B

On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 3:23:18 PM UTC-7, Edward Snider wrote:
>
> They look great, who did you use as the fabricator?
>
> Ed
>
> On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 3:54:27 PM UTC-5, Andrew Bingham wrote:
>>
>> The 6x0x boards have arrived! I sent a direct email to everyone on the
>> list with payment info, etc.
>>
>> Attached are some pictures of the shipment and one of the boards. I went
>> with 2 oz copper, ENIG, and black soldermask and they look great.
>>
>> Andrew B
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 1, 2014 11:51:10 PM UTC-7, Andrew Bingham wrote:
>>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> The 6x0x boards should be finishing fabrication on 7/7/14 and based on
>>> DHL's delivery speed to me on the left coast here I expect to have the
>>> boards on ~7/10/14. At which point I will post some pictures for everyone
>>> and generate PayPal Invoices for all the folks who ordered to pay for their
>>> boards.
>>>
>>> One request - I've used the Zeta documentation page as a template and
>>> created the skeleton of a documentation page for the 6x0x board at -
>>> http://n8vem-sbc.pbworks.com/w/page/82119161/ECB%206x0x-ATX-6U
>>>
>>> Since I did not build one of the prototype boards, it would be very
>>> useful to me if the folks who did build the Rev 008 prototypes could review
>>> the documentation page and provide any inputs. Especially the IC selection
>>> and software sections. You can either edit the page directly or send an
>>> email with what you want added and I'll do it.
>>>
>>> We are going to have 65 of these boards out in the wild (and I will be
>>> collecting names for a 2nd batch as well if there is demand) and I'd really
>>> like to have the highest quality documentation possible to go with them.
>>> Andrew L., John C. and the prototype builders put a lot of work into this
>>> board and I expect it to be a new flagship of the N8VEM project. I'm
>>> really just honored to be able to get them made and distributed to everyone.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Andrew B
>>>
>>

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[Ian May]

They certainly look impressive! Especially the whole stack of them. How
much did the box weigh?
Ian.


On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 8:04 AM, Andrew Bingham <abingham-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> PCBCART, same as Andrew L. has used in the past. They have a 1-time
> tooling charge where some of the other services don't, but I wanted to
> stick with a known company for these.
>
> I figured these would be stand-alone in a lot of people's ATX cases and I
> wanted them to stand out a bit, hence the black.
>
> Andrew B
>
> On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 3:23:18 PM UTC-7, Edward Snider wrote:
>>
>> They look great, who did you use as the fabricator?
>>
>> Ed
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 3:54:27 PM UTC-5, Andrew Bingham wrote:
>>>
>>> The 6x0x boards have arrived! I sent a direct email to everyone on the
>>> list with payment info, etc.
>>>
>>> Attached are some pictures of the shipment and one of the boards. I
>>> went with 2 oz copper, ENIG, and black soldermask and they look great.
>>>
>>> Andrew B
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 1, 2014 11:51:10 PM UTC-7, Andrew Bingham wrote:
>>>>
>>>> All,
>>>>
>>>> The 6x0x boards should be finishing fabrication on 7/7/14 and based on
>>>> DHL's delivery speed to me on the left coast here I expect to have the
>>>> boards on ~7/10/14. At which point I will post some pictures for everyone
>>>> and generate PayPal Invoices for all the folks who ordered to pay for their
>>>> boards.
>>>>
>>>> One request - I've used the Zeta documentation page as a template and
>>>> created the skeleton of a documentation page for the 6x0x board at -
>>>> http://n8vem-sbc.pbworks.com/w/page/82119161/ECB%206x0x-ATX-6U
>>>>
>>>> Since I did not build one of the prototype boards, it would be very
>>>> useful to me if the folks who did build the Rev 008 prototypes could review
>>>> the documentation page and provide any inputs. Especially the IC selection
>>>> and software sections. You can either edit the page directly or send an
>>>> email with what you want added and I'll do it.
>>>>
>>>> We are going to have 65 of these boards out in the wild (and I will be
>>>> collecting names for a 2nd batch as well if there is demand) and I'd really
>>>> like to have the highest quality documentation possible to go with them.
>>>> Andrew L., John C. and the prototype builders put a lot of work into this
>>>> board and I expect it to be a new flagship of the N8VEM project. I'm
>>>> really just honored to be able to get them made and distributed to everyone.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Andrew B
>>>>
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[Andrew Bingham]

Pretty heavy.

I tested out my packaging strategy and got the first 6 sets out in the mail
today. I hope to be caught up on everyone who has paid by Saturday.

There are still about 10 people who haven't paid yet.

Andrew B

On Thursday, July 10, 2014 8:09:27 AM UTC-7, Ian May wrote:
>
> They certainly look impressive! Especially the whole stack of them. How
> much did the box weigh?
> Ian.
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 8:04 AM, Andrew Bingham <abin...-***@public.gmane.org
> <javascript:>> wrote:
>
>> PCBCART, same as Andrew L. has used in the past. They have a 1-time
>> tooling charge where some of the other services don't, but I wanted to
>> stick with a known company for these.
>>
>> I figured these would be stand-alone in a lot of people's ATX cases and I
>> wanted them to stand out a bit, hence the black.
>>
>> Andrew B
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 3:23:18 PM UTC-7, Edward Snider wrote:
>>>
>>> They look great, who did you use as the fabricator?
>>>
>>> Ed
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 3:54:27 PM UTC-5, Andrew Bingham wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The 6x0x boards have arrived! I sent a direct email to everyone on the
>>>> list with payment info, etc.
>>>>
>>>> Attached are some pictures of the shipment and one of the boards. I
>>>> went with 2 oz copper, ENIG, and black soldermask and they look great.
>>>>
>>>> Andrew B
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, July 1, 2014 11:51:10 PM UTC-7, Andrew Bingham wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> All,
>>>>>
>>>>> The 6x0x boards should be finishing fabrication on 7/7/14 and based on
>>>>> DHL's delivery speed to me on the left coast here I expect to have the
>>>>> boards on ~7/10/14. At which point I will post some pictures for everyone
>>>>> and generate PayPal Invoices for all the folks who ordered to pay for their
>>>>> boards.
>>>>>
>>>>> One request - I've used the Zeta documentation page as a template and
>>>>> created the skeleton of a documentation page for the 6x0x board at -
>>>>> http://n8vem-sbc.pbworks.com/w/page/82119161/ECB%206x0x-ATX-6U
>>>>>
>>>>> Since I did not build one of the prototype boards, it would be very
>>>>> useful to me if the folks who did build the Rev 008 prototypes could review
>>>>> the documentation page and provide any inputs. Especially the IC selection
>>>>> and software sections. You can either edit the page directly or send an
>>>>> email with what you want added and I'll do it.
>>>>>
>>>>> We are going to have 65 of these boards out in the wild (and I will be
>>>>> collecting names for a 2nd batch as well if there is demand) and I'd really
>>>>> like to have the highest quality documentation possible to go with them.
>>>>> Andrew L., John C. and the prototype builders put a lot of work into this
>>>>> board and I expect it to be a new flagship of the N8VEM project. I'm
>>>>> really just honored to be able to get them made and distributed to everyone.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Andrew B
>>>>>
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[G. Beat]

Board arrived this AM via USPS.
Nice board, now to start sorting through my parts bins and then order what I am missing.

gb

[Andrew Bingham]

I've shipped to about half the people so far (17).

I'm hoping to get another big batch out tomorrow.

Apologies for the delay - it's a lot of boards to ship!

Feedback welcome on the packing method.

Andrew B

On Monday, July 14, 2014 10:38:45 AM UTC-7, G. Beat wrote:
>
> Board arrived this AM via USPS.
> Nice board, now to start sorting through my parts bins and then order what
> I am missing.
>
> gb
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[AG5AT]

My boards came today. Thanks.

Aug
In Arkansas

On Monday, July 14, 2014 1:51:12 PM UTC-5, Andrew Bingham wrote:
>
> I've shipped to about half the people so far (17).
>
> I'm hoping to get another big batch out tomorrow.
>
> Apologies for the delay - it's a lot of boards to ship!
>
> Feedback welcome on the packing method.
>
> Andrew B
>
> On Monday, July 14, 2014 10:38:45 AM UTC-7, G. Beat wrote:
>>
>> Board arrived this AM via USPS.
>> Nice board, now to start sorting through my parts bins and then order
>> what I am missing.
>>
>> gb
>>
>

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[Edward Snider]

My boards arrived today. They look great!

Thank you!

Ed

On Monday, July 14, 2014 1:51:12 PM UTC-5, Andrew Bingham wrote:
>
> I've shipped to about half the people so far (17).
>
> I'm hoping to get another big batch out tomorrow.
>
> Apologies for the delay - it's a lot of boards to ship!
>
> Feedback welcome on the packing method.
>
> Andrew B
>
> On Monday, July 14, 2014 10:38:45 AM UTC-7, G. Beat wrote:
>>
>> Board arrived this AM via USPS.
>> Nice board, now to start sorting through my parts bins and then order
>> what I am missing.
>>
>> gb
>>
>

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[AG5AT]

Dan,
I have my first board up and running (sort of). I don't think you included
the source in the DOS/65 for the PPP Prop IO term. There is one way of in
"test", but it doesn't seem to match up with the .eprom you provided. So
far things are only "sort of" working. The characters seem to be too big.
That is the bottom lines are way off the bottom of the screen. I have used
this monitor with Vince Briel's prop term with all working fine.

Aug
In Arkansas


On Wednesday, July 2, 2014 1:51:10 AM UTC-5, Andrew Bingham wrote:
>
> All,
>
> The 6x0x boards should be finishing fabrication on 7/7/14 and based on
> DHL's delivery speed to me on the left coast here I expect to have the
> boards on ~7/10/14. At which point I will post some pictures for everyone
> and generate PayPal Invoices for all the folks who ordered to pay for their
> boards.
>
> One request - I've used the Zeta documentation page as a template and
> created the skeleton of a documentation page for the 6x0x board at -
> http://n8vem-sbc.pbworks.com/w/page/82119161/ECB%206x0x-ATX-6U
>
> Since I did not build one of the prototype boards, it would be very useful
> to me if the folks who did build the Rev 008 prototypes could review the
> documentation page and provide any inputs. Especially the IC selection and
> software sections. You can either edit the page directly or send an email
> with what you want added and I'll do it.
>
> We are going to have 65 of these boards out in the wild (and I will be
> collecting names for a 2nd batch as well if there is demand) and I'd really
> like to have the highest quality documentation possible to go with them.
> Andrew L., John C. and the prototype builders put a lot of work into this
> board and I expect it to be a new flagship of the N8VEM project. I'm
> really just honored to be able to get them made and distributed to everyone.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Andrew B
>

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[Edward Snider]

Does sound like you have to tweak the spin code for your setup (monitor).
Apparently differences in the output settings. Source should always be
included.

Ed


On Friday, July 18, 2014 10:57:06 PM UTC-5, AG5AT wrote:
>
> Dan,
> I have my first board up and running (sort of). I don't think you
> included the source in the DOS/65 for the PPP Prop IO term. There is one
> way of in "test", but it doesn't seem to match up with the .eprom you
> provided. So far things are only "sort of" working. The characters seem
> to be too big. That is the bottom lines are way off the bottom of the
> screen. I have used this monitor with Vince Briel's prop term with all
> working fine.
>
> Aug
> In Arkansas
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 2, 2014 1:51:10 AM UTC-5, Andrew Bingham wrote:
>>
>> All,
>>
>> The 6x0x boards should be finishing fabrication on 7/7/14 and based on
>> DHL's delivery speed to me on the left coast here I expect to have the
>> boards on ~7/10/14. At which point I will post some pictures for everyone
>> and generate PayPal Invoices for all the folks who ordered to pay for their
>> boards.
>>
>> One request - I've used the Zeta documentation page as a template and
>> created the skeleton of a documentation page for the 6x0x board at -
>> http://n8vem-sbc.pbworks.com/w/page/82119161/ECB%206x0x-ATX-6U
>>
>> Since I did not build one of the prototype boards, it would be very
>> useful to me if the folks who did build the Rev 008 prototypes could review
>> the documentation page and provide any inputs. Especially the IC selection
>> and software sections. You can either edit the page directly or send an
>> email with what you want added and I'll do it.
>>
>> We are going to have 65 of these boards out in the wild (and I will be
>> collecting names for a 2nd batch as well if there is demand) and I'd really
>> like to have the highest quality documentation possible to go with them.
>> Andrew L., John C. and the prototype builders put a lot of work into this
>> board and I expect it to be a new flagship of the N8VEM project. I'm
>> really just honored to be able to get them made and distributed to everyone.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Andrew B
>>
>

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[Dan Werner]

The source code is in the dos/65 source in the 6x0x host processor folder.
I can send you a link once I get back home late tomorrow.
This program uses a totally different VGA driver from the pocket term and
requires svga resolution as it is higher resolution and supports color on a
character by character basis.

Dan
On Jul 18, 2014 10:57 PM, "AG5AT" <atreubig-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> Dan,
> I have my first board up and running (sort of). I don't think you
> included the source in the DOS/65 for the PPP Prop IO term. There is one
> way of in "test", but it doesn't seem to match up with the .eprom you
> provided. So far things are only "sort of" working. The characters seem
> to be too big. That is the bottom lines are way off the bottom of the
> screen. I have used this monitor with Vince Briel's prop term with all
> working fine.
>
> Aug
> In Arkansas
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 2, 2014 1:51:10 AM UTC-5, Andrew Bingham wrote:
>>
>> All,
>>
>> The 6x0x boards should be finishing fabrication on 7/7/14 and based on
>> DHL's delivery speed to me on the left coast here I expect to have the
>> boards on ~7/10/14. At which point I will post some pictures for everyone
>> and generate PayPal Invoices for all the folks who ordered to pay for their
>> boards.
>>
>> One request - I've used the Zeta documentation page as a template and
>> created the skeleton of a documentation page for the 6x0x board at -
>> http://n8vem-sbc.pbworks.com/w/page/82119161/ECB%206x0x-ATX-6U
>>
>> Since I did not build one of the prototype boards, it would be very
>> useful to me if the folks who did build the Rev 008 prototypes could review
>> the documentation page and provide any inputs. Especially the IC selection
>> and software sections. You can either edit the page directly or send an
>> email with what you want added and I'll do it.
>>
>> We are going to have 65 of these boards out in the wild (and I will be
>> collecting names for a 2nd batch as well if there is demand) and I'd really
>> like to have the highest quality documentation possible to go with them.
>> Andrew L., John C. and the prototype builders put a lot of work into this
>> board and I expect it to be a new flagship of the N8VEM project. I'm
>> really just honored to be able to get them made and distributed to everyone.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Andrew B
>>
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[AG5AT]

<https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-r1MkokP8ckA/U8v5olhYk7I/AAAAAAAAABw/a0nD7MTC5tQ/s1600/sun-wide.jpg>

<https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-qWnUJ9mPjyI/U8v5fy1GjnI/AAAAAAAAABo/2Sc-ouA2hSE/s1600/samsung913t.jpg>
Yes,
I see that. But some of us aren't going to have monitors that support the
particular frequencies that you chose. So is there a way to adjust things
in the code. I have attached pictures of my Samsung that I will use for
this project and also my other 22 inch widescreen monitor which does
work. The Samsung 913T is 1280 x 1024 Vert 75hz, Hor 81 khz.

Aug


On Saturday, July 19, 2014 2:34:38 PM UTC-5, Dan Werner wrote:
>
> The source code is in the dos/65 source in the 6x0x host processor
> folder. I can send you a link once I get back home late tomorrow.
> This program uses a totally different VGA driver from the pocket term and
> requires svga resolution as it is higher resolution and supports color on a
> character by character basis.
>
> Dan
> On Jul 18, 2014 10:57 PM, "AG5AT" <atre...-***@public.gmane.org <javascript:>>
> wrote:
>
>> Dan,
>> I have my first board up and running (sort of). I don't think you
>> included the source in the DOS/65 for the PPP Prop IO term. There is one
>> way of in "test", but it doesn't seem to match up with the .eprom you
>> provided. So far things are only "sort of" working. The characters seem
>> to be too big. That is the bottom lines are way off the bottom of the
>> screen. I have used this monitor with Vince Briel's prop term with all
>> working fine.
>>
>> Aug
>> In Arkansas
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 2, 2014 1:51:10 AM UTC-5, Andrew Bingham wrote:
>>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> The 6x0x boards should be finishing fabrication on 7/7/14 and based on
>>> DHL's delivery speed to me on the left coast here I expect to have the
>>> boards on ~7/10/14. At which point I will post some pictures for everyone
>>> and generate PayPal Invoices for all the folks who ordered to pay for their
>>> boards.
>>>
>>> One request - I've used the Zeta documentation page as a template and
>>> created the skeleton of a documentation page for the 6x0x board at -
>>> http://n8vem-sbc.pbworks.com/w/page/82119161/ECB%206x0x-ATX-6U
>>>
>>> Since I did not build one of the prototype boards, it would be very
>>> useful to me if the folks who did build the Rev 008 prototypes could review
>>> the documentation page and provide any inputs. Especially the IC selection
>>> and software sections. You can either edit the page directly or send an
>>> email with what you want added and I'll do it.
>>>
>>> We are going to have 65 of these boards out in the wild (and I will be
>>> collecting names for a 2nd batch as well if there is demand) and I'd really
>>> like to have the highest quality documentation possible to go with them.
>>> Andrew L., John C. and the prototype builders put a lot of work into this
>>> board and I expect it to be a new flagship of the N8VEM project. I'm
>>> really just honored to be able to get them made and distributed to everyone.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Andrew B
>>>
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[Dan Werner]

The source files are in the ZIP file in this folder:



http://n8vem-sbc.pbworks.com/w/browse/#view=ViewFolder <http://n8vem-sbc.pbworks.com/w/browse/#view=ViewFolder&param=6502%20Host%20Processor> &param=6502%20Host%20Processor



/M6502/ParPortPropTest/TstPPP/vga_1280x1024_tile_driver_with_cursor.spin



Here are the timings:



' 1280 x 1024 @ 60Hz settings



hp = 1280 'horizontal pixels

vp = 1024 'vertical pixels

hf = 48 'horizontal front porch pixels

hs = 112 'horizontal sync pixels

hb = 248 'horizontal back porch pixels

vf = 1 'vertical front porch lines

vs = 3 'vertical sync lines

vb = 38 'vertical back porch lines

pr = 100 'pixel rate in MHz at 80MHz system clock (5MHz granularity)







From: n8vem-/***@public.gmane.org [mailto:n8vem-/***@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of AG5AT
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 12:18 PM
To: n8vem-/***@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [N8VEM: 18458] Re: 6x0x Board Update & Documentation Help From Prototype Builders



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Yes,
I see that. But some of us aren't going to have monitors that support the particular frequencies that you chose. So is there a way to adjust things in the code. I have attached pictures of my Samsung that I will use for this project and also my other 22 inch widescreen monitor which does work. The Samsung 913T is 1280 x 1024 Vert 75hz, Hor 81 khz.

Aug


On Saturday, July 19, 2014 2:34:38 PM UTC-5, Dan Werner wrote:

The source code is in the dos/65 source in the 6x0x host processor folder. I can send you a link once I get back home late tomorrow.
This program uses a totally different VGA driver from the pocket term and requires svga resolution as it is higher resolution and supports color on a character by character basis.

Dan

On Jul 18, 2014 10:57 PM, "AG5AT" <atre...-***@public.gmane.org <javascript:> > wrote:

Dan,
I have my first board up and running (sort of). I don't think you included the source in the DOS/65 for the PPP Prop IO term. There is one way of in "test", but it doesn't seem to match up with the .eprom you provided. So far things are only "sort of" working. The characters seem to be too big. That is the bottom lines are way off the bottom of the screen. I have used this monitor with Vince Briel's prop term with all working fine.

Aug
In Arkansas


On Wednesday, July 2, 2014 1:51:10 AM UTC-5, Andrew Bingham wrote:

All,



The 6x0x boards should be finishing fabrication on 7/7/14 and based on DHL's delivery speed to me on the left coast here I expect to have the boards on ~7/10/14. At which point I will post some pictures for everyone and generate PayPal Invoices for all the folks who ordered to pay for their boards.



One request - I've used the Zeta documentation page as a template and created the skeleton of a documentation page for the 6x0x board at - http://n8vem-sbc.pbworks.com/w/page/82119161/ECB%206x0x-ATX-6U



Since I did not build one of the prototype boards, it would be very useful to me if the folks who did build the Rev 008 prototypes could review the documentation page and provide any inputs. Especially the IC selection and software sections. You can either edit the page directly or send an email with what you want added and I'll do it.



We are going to have 65 of these boards out in the wild (and I will be collecting names for a 2nd batch as well if there is demand) and I'd really like to have the highest quality documentation possible to go with them. Andrew L., John C. and the prototype builders put a lot of work into this board and I expect it to be a new flagship of the N8VEM project. I'm really just honored to be able to get them made and distributed to everyone.



Thanks,



Andrew B

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[AG5AT]

Dan,

Yes, I saw all of that. But if you look at my two monitor pictures, as we
go forward, we will have some issues for some of us with older monitors.
My Samsung was purchased in 2005. While it supports 1280 x 1024, it
doesn't appear work at 60 hz. I figure this mismatch is above most of our
heads and may have to go back to Parallax and Chip Gracey. Meanwhile, we
may have to create a version with the original drivers more like the
PropIO2 which uses the VGA_1024 driver.

Aug


On Sunday, July 20, 2014 6:57:32 PM UTC-5, Dan Werner wrote:
>
> The source files are in the ZIP file in this folder:
>
>
>
>
> http://n8vem-sbc.pbworks.com/w/browse/#view=ViewFolder&param=6502%20Host%20Processor
>
>
>
> /M6502/ParPortPropTest/TstPPP/vga_1280x1024_tile_driver_with_cursor.spin
>
>
>
> Here are the timings:
>
>
>
> ' 1280 x 1024 @ 60Hz settings
>
>
>
> hp = 1280 'horizontal pixels
>
> vp = 1024 'vertical pixels
>
> hf = 48 'horizontal front porch pixels
>
> hs = 112 'horizontal sync pixels
>
> hb = 248 'horizontal back porch pixels
>
> vf = 1 'vertical front porch lines
>
> vs = 3 'vertical sync lines
>
> vb = 38 'vertical back porch lines
>
> pr = 100 'pixel rate in MHz at 80MHz system clock
> (5MHz granularity)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* n8...-/***@public.gmane.org <javascript:> [mailto:
> n8...-/***@public.gmane.org <javascript:>] *On Behalf Of *AG5AT
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 20, 2014 12:18 PM
> *To:* n8...-/***@public.gmane.org <javascript:>
> *Subject:* Re: [N8VEM: 18458] Re: 6x0x Board Update & Documentation Help
> From Prototype Builders
>
>
>
>
> <https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-r1MkokP8ckA/U8v5olhYk7I/AAAAAAAAABw/a0nD7MTC5tQ/s1600/sun-wide.jpg>
>
>
> <https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-qWnUJ9mPjyI/U8v5fy1GjnI/AAAAAAAAABo/2Sc-ouA2hSE/s1600/samsung913t.jpg>
>
> Yes,
> I see that. But some of us aren't going to have monitors that support the
> particular frequencies that you chose. So is there a way to adjust things
> in the code. I have attached pictures of my Samsung that I will use for
> this project and also my other 22 inch widescreen monitor which does
> work. The Samsung 913T is 1280 x 1024 Vert 75hz, Hor 81 khz.
>
> Aug
>
>
> On Saturday, July 19, 2014 2:34:38 PM UTC-5, Dan Werner wrote:
>
> The source code is in the dos/65 source in the 6x0x host processor
> folder. I can send you a link once I get back home late tomorrow.
> This program uses a totally different VGA driver from the pocket term and
> requires svga resolution as it is higher resolution and supports color on a
> character by character basis.
>
> Dan
>
> On Jul 18, 2014 10:57 PM, "AG5AT" <atre...-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
> Dan,
> I have my first board up and running (sort of). I don't think you
> included the source in the DOS/65 for the PPP Prop IO term. There is one
> way of in "test", but it doesn't seem to match up with the .eprom you
> provided. So far things are only "sort of" working. The characters seem
> to be too big. That is the bottom lines are way off the bottom of the
> screen. I have used this monitor with Vince Briel's prop term with all
> working fine.
>
> Aug
> In Arkansas
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 2, 2014 1:51:10 AM UTC-5, Andrew Bingham wrote:
>
> All,
>
>
>
> The 6x0x boards should be finishing fabrication on 7/7/14 and based on
> DHL's delivery speed to me on the left coast here I expect to have the
> boards on ~7/10/14. At which point I will post some pictures for everyone
> and generate PayPal Invoices for all the folks who ordered to pay for their
> boards.
>
>
>
> One request - I've used the Zeta documentation page as a template and
> created the skeleton of a documentation page for the 6x0x board at -
> http://n8vem-sbc.pbworks.com/w/page/82119161/ECB%206x0x-ATX-6U
>
>
>
> Since I did not build one of the prototype boards, it would be very useful
> to me if the folks who did build the Rev 008 prototypes could review the
> documentation page and provide any inputs. Especially the IC selection and
> software sections. You can either edit the page directly or send an email
> with what you want added and I'll do it.
>
>
>
> We are going to have 65 of these boards out in the wild (and I will be
> collecting names for a 2nd batch as well if there is demand) and I'd really
> like to have the highest quality documentation possible to go with them.
> Andrew L., John C. and the prototype builders put a lot of work into this
> board and I expect it to be a new flagship of the N8VEM project. I'm
> really just honored to be able to get them made and distributed to everyone.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Andrew B
>
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[Dan Werner]

Should not be a problem.. I will try to set some time aside this week to
change the code to allow the old driver to be used.

Dan
On Jul 20, 2014 8:31 PM, "AG5AT" <atreubig-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> Dan,
>
> Yes, I saw all of that. But if you look at my two monitor pictures, as we
> go forward, we will have some issues for some of us with older monitors.
> My Samsung was purchased in 2005. While it supports 1280 x 1024, it
> doesn't appear work at 60 hz. I figure this mismatch is above most of our
> heads and may have to go back to Parallax and Chip Gracey. Meanwhile, we
> may have to create a version with the original drivers more like the
> PropIO2 which uses the VGA_1024 driver.
>
> Aug
>
>
> On Sunday, July 20, 2014 6:57:32 PM UTC-5, Dan Werner wrote:
>>
>> The source files are in the ZIP file in this folder:
>>
>>
>>
>> http://n8vem-sbc.pbworks.com/w/browse/#view=ViewFolder&
>> param=6502%20Host%20Processor
>>
>>
>>
>> /M6502/ParPortPropTest/TstPPP/vga_1280x1024_tile_driver_with_cursor.spin
>>
>>
>>
>> Here are the timings:
>>
>>
>>
>> ' 1280 x 1024 @ 60Hz settings
>>
>>
>>
>> hp = 1280 'horizontal pixels
>>
>> vp = 1024 'vertical pixels
>>
>> hf = 48 'horizontal front porch pixels
>>
>> hs = 112 'horizontal sync pixels
>>
>> hb = 248 'horizontal back porch pixels
>>
>> vf = 1 'vertical front porch lines
>>
>> vs = 3 'vertical sync lines
>>
>> vb = 38 'vertical back porch lines
>>
>> pr = 100 'pixel rate in MHz at 80MHz system clock
>> (5MHz granularity)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* n8...-/***@public.gmane.org [mailto:n8...-/***@public.gmane.org] *On
>> Behalf Of *AG5AT
>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 20, 2014 12:18 PM
>> *To:* n8...-/***@public.gmane.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [N8VEM: 18458] Re: 6x0x Board Update & Documentation Help
>> From Prototype Builders
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-r1MkokP8ckA/U8v5olhYk7I/AAAAAAAAABw/a0nD7MTC5tQ/s1600/sun-wide.jpg>
>>
>>
>> <https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-qWnUJ9mPjyI/U8v5fy1GjnI/AAAAAAAAABo/2Sc-ouA2hSE/s1600/samsung913t.jpg>
>>
>> Yes,
>> I see that. But some of us aren't going to have monitors that support
>> the particular frequencies that you chose. So is there a way to adjust
>> things in the code. I have attached pictures of my Samsung that I will use
>> for this project and also my other 22 inch widescreen monitor which does
>> work. The Samsung 913T is 1280 x 1024 Vert 75hz, Hor 81 khz.
>>
>> Aug
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, July 19, 2014 2:34:38 PM UTC-5, Dan Werner wrote:
>>
>> The source code is in the dos/65 source in the 6x0x host processor
>> folder. I can send you a link once I get back home late tomorrow.
>> This program uses a totally different VGA driver from the pocket term and
>> requires svga resolution as it is higher resolution and supports color on a
>> character by character basis.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> On Jul 18, 2014 10:57 PM, "AG5AT" <atre...-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>>
>> Dan,
>> I have my first board up and running (sort of). I don't think you
>> included the source in the DOS/65 for the PPP Prop IO term. There is one
>> way of in "test", but it doesn't seem to match up with the .eprom you
>> provided. So far things are only "sort of" working. The characters seem
>> to be too big. That is the bottom lines are way off the bottom of the
>> screen. I have used this monitor with Vince Briel's prop term with all
>> working fine.
>>
>> Aug
>> In Arkansas
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 2, 2014 1:51:10 AM UTC-5, Andrew Bingham wrote:
>>
>> All,
>>
>>
>>
>> The 6x0x boards should be finishing fabrication on 7/7/14 and based on
>> DHL's delivery speed to me on the left coast here I expect to have the
>> boards on ~7/10/14. At which point I will post some pictures for everyone
>> and generate PayPal Invoices for all the folks who ordered to pay for their
>> boards.
>>
>>
>>
>> One request - I've used the Zeta documentation page as a template and
>> created the skeleton of a documentation page for the 6x0x board at -
>> http://n8vem-sbc.pbworks.com/w/page/82119161/ECB%206x0x-ATX-6U
>>
>>
>>
>> Since I did not build one of the prototype boards, it would be very
>> useful to me if the folks who did build the Rev 008 prototypes could review
>> the documentation page and provide any inputs. Especially the IC selection
>> and software sections. You can either edit the page directly or send an
>> email with what you want added and I'll do it.
>>
>>
>>
>> We are going to have 65 of these boards out in the wild (and I will be
>> collecting names for a 2nd batch as well if there is demand) and I'd really
>> like to have the highest quality documentation possible to go with them.
>> Andrew L., John C. and the prototype builders put a lot of work into this
>> board and I expect it to be a new flagship of the N8VEM project. I'm
>> really just honored to be able to get them made and distributed to everyone.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Andrew B
>>
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[Dan Werner]

There is a new version of the DOS/65 source package and the DOS/65 Colossus QuickStart that include a ParPortProp version for older monitors that will not sync with the current Full color version of the firmware.



Dan



From: n8vem-/***@public.gmane.org [mailto:n8vem-/***@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of AG5AT
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 8:31 PM
To: n8vem-/***@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [N8VEM: 18462] Re: 6x0x Board Update & Documentation Help From Prototype Builders



Dan,

Yes, I saw all of that. But if you look at my two monitor pictures, as we go forward, we will have some issues for some of us with older monitors. My Samsung was purchased in 2005. While it supports 1280 x 1024, it doesn't appear work at 60 hz. I figure this mismatch is above most of our heads and may have to go back to Parallax and Chip Gracey. Meanwhile, we may have to create a version with the original drivers more like the PropIO2 which uses the VGA_1024 driver.

Aug


On Sunday, July 20, 2014 6:57:32 PM UTC-5, Dan Werner wrote:

The source files are in the ZIP file in this folder:



http://n8vem-sbc.pbworks.com/w/browse/#view=ViewFolder <http://n8vem-sbc.pbworks.com/w/browse/#view=ViewFolder&param=6502%20Host%20Processor> &param=6502%20Host%20Processor



/M6502/ParPortPropTest/TstPPP/vga_1280x1024_tile_driver_with_cursor.spin



Here are the timings:



' 1280 x 1024 @ 60Hz settings



hp = 1280 'horizontal pixels

vp = 1024 'vertical pixels

hf = 48 'horizontal front porch pixels

hs = 112 'horizontal sync pixels

hb = 248 'horizontal back porch pixels

vf = 1 'vertical front porch lines

vs = 3 'vertical sync lines

vb = 38 'vertical back porch lines

pr = 100 'pixel rate in MHz at 80MHz system clock (5MHz granularity)







From: n8...-/***@public.gmane.org <javascript:> [mailto:n8...-/***@public.gmane.org <javascript:> ] On Behalf Of AG5AT
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 12:18 PM
To: n8...-/***@public.gmane.org <javascript:>
Subject: Re: [N8VEM: 18458] Re: 6x0x Board Update & Documentation Help From Prototype Builders



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<https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-r1MkokP8ckA/U8v5olhYk7I/AAAAAAAAABw/a0nD7MTC5tQ/s1600/sun-wide.jpg>


Yes,
I see that. But some of us aren't going to have monitors that support the particular frequencies that you chose. So is there a way to adjust things in the code. I have attached pictures of my Samsung that I will use for this project and also my other 22 inch widescreen monitor which does work. The Samsung 913T is 1280 x 1024 Vert 75hz, Hor 81 khz.

Aug


On Saturday, July 19, 2014 2:34:38 PM UTC-5, Dan Werner wrote:

The source code is in the dos/65 source in the 6x0x host processor folder. I can send you a link once I get back home late tomorrow.
This program uses a totally different VGA driver from the pocket term and requires svga resolution as it is higher resolution and supports color on a character by character basis.

Dan

On Jul 18, 2014 10:57 PM, "AG5AT" <atre...-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:

Dan,
I have my first board up and running (sort of). I don't think you included the source in the DOS/65 for the PPP Prop IO term. There is one way of in "test", but it doesn't seem to match up with the .eprom you provided. So far things are only "sort of" working. The characters seem to be too big. That is the bottom lines are way off the bottom of the screen. I have used this monitor with Vince Briel's prop term with all working fine.

Aug
In Arkansas


On Wednesday, July 2, 2014 1:51:10 AM UTC-5, Andrew Bingham wrote:

All,



The 6x0x boards should be finishing fabrication on 7/7/14 and based on DHL's delivery speed to me on the left coast here I expect to have the boards on ~7/10/14. At which point I will post some pictures for everyone and generate PayPal Invoices for all the folks who ordered to pay for their boards.



One request - I've used the Zeta documentation page as a template and created the skeleton of a documentation page for the 6x0x board at - http://n8vem-sbc.pbworks.com/w/page/82119161/ECB%206x0x-ATX-6U



Since I did not build one of the prototype boards, it would be very useful to me if the folks who did build the Rev 008 prototypes could review the documentation page and provide any inputs. Especially the IC selection and software sections. You can either edit the page directly or send an email with what you want added and I'll do it.



We are going to have 65 of these boards out in the wild (and I will be collecting names for a 2nd batch as well if there is demand) and I'd really like to have the highest quality documentation possible to go with them. Andrew L., John C. and the prototype builders put a lot of work into this board and I expect it to be a new flagship of the N8VEM project. I'm really just honored to be able to get them made and distributed to everyone.



Thanks,



Andrew B

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[Andrew Bingham]

Thanks Dan!

I see that there are three Propeller files in the new "quickstart" file you
uploaded:
-ParPortProp.eeprom (1/1/2014)
-ParPortPropFullColor.eeprom (7/27/2014)
-ParPortPropOriginal.eeprom (7/27/2014)

I'm assuming "Full Color" is the latest 1280x1024 tile driver, and
"Original" the version for monitors that don't work with the tile driver,
and the one that is just plain "ParPortProp" is some older 3rd version?

Andrew

On Sunday, July 27, 2014 9:22:54 AM UTC-7, Dan Werner wrote:
>
> There is a new version of the DOS/65 source package and the DOS/65
> Colossus QuickStart that include a ParPortProp version for older monitors
> that will not sync with the current Full color version of the firmware.
>
>
>
> Dan
>
>
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[Dan Werner]

That is correct. Guess I should have delete the third one -- J



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Thanks Dan!



I see that there are three Propeller files in the new "quickstart" file you uploaded:

-ParPortProp.eeprom (1/1/2014)

-ParPortPropFullColor.eeprom (7/27/2014)

-ParPortPropOriginal.eeprom (7/27/2014)



I'm assuming "Full Color" is the latest 1280x1024 tile driver, and "Original" the version for monitors that don't work with the tile driver, and the one that is just plain "ParPortProp" is some older 3rd version?



Andrew

On Sunday, July 27, 2014 9:22:54 AM UTC-7, Dan Werner wrote:

There is a new version of the DOS/65 source package and the DOS/65 Colossus QuickStart that include a ParPortProp version for older monitors that will not sync with the current Full color version of the firmware.



Dan



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[Andrew Bingham]

No worries, I updated the wiki page for the board and made a note there.

On Sunday, July 27, 2014 11:38:44 AM UTC-7, Dan Werner wrote:
>
> That is correct. Guess I should have delete the third one -- J
>
>
>
> *From:* n8...-/***@public.gmane.org <javascript:> [mailto:
> n8...-/***@public.gmane.org <javascript:>] *On Behalf Of *Andrew Bingham
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 27, 2014 1:05 PM
> *To:* n8...-/***@public.gmane.org <javascript:>
> *Subject:* Re: [N8VEM: 18475] Re: 6x0x Board Update & Documentation Help
> From Prototype Builders
>
>
>
> Thanks Dan!
>
>
>
> I see that there are three Propeller files in the new "quickstart" file
> you uploaded:
>
> -ParPortProp.eeprom (1/1/2014)
>
> -ParPortPropFullColor.eeprom (7/27/2014)
>
> -ParPortPropOriginal.eeprom (7/27/2014)
>
>
>
> I'm assuming "Full Color" is the latest 1280x1024 tile driver, and
> "Original" the version for monitors that don't work with the tile driver,
> and the one that is just plain "ParPortProp" is some older 3rd version?
>
>
>
> Andrew
>
> On Sunday, July 27, 2014 9:22:54 AM UTC-7, Dan Werner wrote:
>
> There is a new version of the DOS/65 source package and the DOS/65
> Colossus QuickStart that include a ParPortProp version for older monitors
> that will not sync with the current Full color version of the firmware.
>
>
>
> Dan
>
>
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[AG5AT]

It works with my Samsung.
Aug

[AG5AT]

Dan,

Can you post the source to the new propeller code.

Aug

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> It works with my Samsung.
> Aug
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[Andrew Bingham]

It should be in the 2nd .zip file listed under Firmware/Software 6502 CPU
on the page for the board.

On Sunday, July 27, 2014 7:43:47 PM UTC-7, AG5AT wrote:
>
> Dan,
>
> Can you post the source to the new propeller code.
>
> Aug
>
> On Sunday, July 27, 2014 3:20:23 PM UTC-5, AG5AT wrote:
>>
>> It works with my Samsung.
>> Aug
>>
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[Dan Werner]

It is in this zip file:



http://n8vem-sbc.pbworks.com/w/file/83392051/DOS65-072714.zip







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Dan,

Can you post the source to the new propeller code.

Aug

On Sunday, July 27, 2014 3:20:23 PM UTC-5, AG5AT wrote:

It works with my Samsung.
Aug

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[AG5AT]

Dan,
Sorry for being blind. Yes it is there.

Two things on:

On DOS/65. Mine seems to hang when during Cold Start the INIT_PPP is run.
I created a version of DOS65 that uses the Serial console and doesn't run
INIT_PPP and all runs fine from the 9600 baud serial console after typing
BOOT 0 on the KVM (well no mouse).

DOS/65 ON THE N8VEM 3.00
A>dir
A:S19 .COM A:ALLOC .COM A:MONITOR .COM A:DBASIC .COM
A>

On the circuit board itself: This is for the Andrews and anyone that wants
to use a WDC W65C02SS6TPG-14. Pin 36 should have been able to have been
tied to +5 and not to ground.

Aug




On Sunday, July 27, 2014 10:10:05 PM UTC-5, Dan Werner wrote:
>
> It is in this zip file:
>
>
>
> http://n8vem-sbc.pbworks.com/w/file/83392051/DOS65-072714.zip
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* n8...-/***@public.gmane.org <javascript:> [mailto:
> n8...-/***@public.gmane.org <javascript:>] *On Behalf Of *AG5AT
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 27, 2014 9:44 PM
> *To:* n8...-/***@public.gmane.org <javascript:>
> *Subject:* Re: [N8VEM: 18482] Re: 6x0x Board Update & Documentation Help
> From Prototype Builders
>
>
>
> Dan,
>
> Can you post the source to the new propeller code.
>
> Aug
>
> On Sunday, July 27, 2014 3:20:23 PM UTC-5, AG5AT wrote:
>
> It works with my Samsung.
> Aug
>
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[Dan Werner]

Sorry, but I am a little slow this morning . . . .

are you saying that:

1. the PPP works for the system monitor, but fails for DOS/65?
2. the PPP works for the system monitor, but when you boot, DOS/65 uses
the serial port for the console?
3. the PPP does not work at all, but the serial console works fine


Dan



On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 4:50 AM, AG5AT <atreubig-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> Dan,
> Sorry for being blind. Yes it is there.
>
> Two things on:
>
> On DOS/65. Mine seems to hang when during Cold Start the INIT_PPP is
> run. I created a version of DOS65 that uses the Serial console and doesn't
> run INIT_PPP and all runs fine from the 9600 baud serial console after
> typing BOOT 0 on the KVM (well no mouse).
>
> DOS/65 ON THE N8VEM 3.00
> A>dir
> A:S19 .COM A:ALLOC .COM A:MONITOR .COM A:DBASIC .COM
> A>
>
> On the circuit board itself: This is for the Andrews and anyone that
> wants to use a WDC W65C02SS6TPG-14. Pin 36 should have been able to have
> been tied to +5 and not to ground.
>
> Aug
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, July 27, 2014 10:10:05 PM UTC-5, Dan Werner wrote:
>
>> It is in this zip file:
>>
>>
>>
>> http://n8vem-sbc.pbworks.com/w/file/83392051/DOS65-072714.zip
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* n8...-/***@public.gmane.org [mailto:n8...-/***@public.gmane.org] *On
>> Behalf Of *AG5AT
>>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 27, 2014 9:44 PM
>> *To:* n8...-/***@public.gmane.org
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [N8VEM: 18482] Re: 6x0x Board Update & Documentation Help
>> From Prototype Builders
>>
>>
>>
>> Dan,
>>
>> Can you post the source to the new propeller code.
>>
>> Aug
>>
>> On Sunday, July 27, 2014 3:20:23 PM UTC-5, AG5AT wrote:
>>
>> It works with my Samsung.
>> Aug
>>
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[AG5AT]

Ok,
Mostly number 1.
Using the PPP Video and Keyboard and the Serial to load code works.
BUT
Going thru the quick start doc all works up to and including step 5. So at
that point I have written your DOS/65 to the SD card.
Doing step 6: BOOT 0
I see the SD card activity light blink enough to have loaded DOS65 into
memory. Then the system hangs.

I did some investigating and assembled a DOS65 that used the serial card
for the console and not the PPP. (Still using PPP for disk access).
It hung to.
I then removed the JSR INIT_PPP in SIMN8VEM.ASM.
I then loaded that DOS65 into memory and did a GO CC00. DOS comes up. All
disk access works, etc.
Something that is going on in INIT_PPP is causing DOS65 to hang. Or the
issue is that the prop code isn't responding correctly to the re-PPP init.

Is that a little clearer?

Aug


On Monday, July 28, 2014 8:53:32 AM UTC-5, Dan Werner wrote:
>
> Sorry, but I am a little slow this morning . . . .
>
> are you saying that:
>
> 1. the PPP works for the system monitor, but fails for DOS/65?
> 2. the PPP works for the system monitor, but when you boot, DOS/65 uses
> the serial port for the console?
> 3. the PPP does not work at all, but the serial console works fine
>
>
> Dan
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 4:50 AM, AG5AT <atre...-***@public.gmane.org
> <javascript:>> wrote:
>
>> Dan,
>> Sorry for being blind. Yes it is there.
>>
>> Two things on:
>>
>> On DOS/65. Mine seems to hang when during Cold Start the INIT_PPP is
>> run. I created a version of DOS65 that uses the Serial console and doesn't
>> run INIT_PPP and all runs fine from the 9600 baud serial console after
>> typing BOOT 0 on the KVM (well no mouse).
>>
>> DOS/65 ON THE N8VEM 3.00
>> A>dir
>> A:S19 .COM A:ALLOC .COM A:MONITOR .COM A:DBASIC .COM
>> A>
>>
>> On the circuit board itself: This is for the Andrews and anyone that
>> wants to use a WDC W65C02SS6TPG-14. Pin 36 should have been able to have
>> been tied to +5 and not to ground.
>>
>> Aug
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, July 27, 2014 10:10:05 PM UTC-5, Dan Werner wrote:
>>
>>> It is in this zip file:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://n8vem-sbc.pbworks.com/w/file/83392051/DOS65-072714.zip
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* n8...-/***@public.gmane.org [mailto:n8...-/***@public.gmane.org] *On
>>> Behalf Of *AG5AT
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 27, 2014 9:44 PM
>>> *To:* n8...-/***@public.gmane.org
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [N8VEM: 18482] Re: 6x0x Board Update & Documentation
>>> Help From Prototype Builders
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dan,
>>>
>>> Can you post the source to the new propeller code.
>>>
>>> Aug
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 27, 2014 3:20:23 PM UTC-5, AG5AT wrote:
>>>
>>> It works with my Samsung.
>>> Aug
>>>
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[Dan Werner]

Yes, thanks. I will try to reproduce your issue, but it is a busy week
for me, so I may not be able to get to it until the week end.

Dan



On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 11:33 AM, AG5AT <atreubig-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> Ok,
> Mostly number 1.
> Using the PPP Video and Keyboard and the Serial to load code works.
> BUT
> Going thru the quick start doc all works up to and including step 5. So
> at that point I have written your DOS/65 to the SD card.
> Doing step 6: BOOT 0
> I see the SD card activity light blink enough to have loaded DOS65 into
> memory. Then the system hangs.
>
> I did some investigating and assembled a DOS65 that used the serial card
> for the console and not the PPP. (Still using PPP for disk access).
> It hung to.
> I then removed the JSR INIT_PPP in SIMN8VEM.ASM.
> I then loaded that DOS65 into memory and did a GO CC00. DOS comes up.
> All disk access works, etc.
> Something that is going on in INIT_PPP is causing DOS65 to hang. Or the
> issue is that the prop code isn't responding correctly to the re-PPP init.
>
> Is that a little clearer?
>
> Aug
>
>
>
> On Monday, July 28, 2014 8:53:32 AM UTC-5, Dan Werner wrote:
>
>> Sorry, but I am a little slow this morning . . . .
>>
>> are you saying that:
>>
>> 1. the PPP works for the system monitor, but fails for DOS/65?
>> 2. the PPP works for the system monitor, but when you boot, DOS/65 uses
>> the serial port for the console?
>> 3. the PPP does not work at all, but the serial console works fine
>>
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 4:50 AM, AG5AT <atre...-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Dan,
>>> Sorry for being blind. Yes it is there.
>>>
>>> Two things on:
>>>
>>> On DOS/65. Mine seems to hang when during Cold Start the INIT_PPP is
>>> run. I created a version of DOS65 that uses the Serial console and doesn't
>>> run INIT_PPP and all runs fine from the 9600 baud serial console after
>>> typing BOOT 0 on the KVM (well no mouse).
>>>
>>> DOS/65 ON THE N8VEM 3.00
>>> A>dir
>>> A:S19 .COM A:ALLOC .COM A:MONITOR .COM A:DBASIC .COM
>>> A>
>>>
>>> On the circuit board itself: This is for the Andrews and anyone that
>>> wants to use a WDC W65C02SS6TPG-14. Pin 36 should have been able to have
>>> been tied to +5 and not to ground.
>>>
>>> Aug
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 27, 2014 10:10:05 PM UTC-5, Dan Werner wrote:
>>>
>>>> It is in this zip file:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://n8vem-sbc.pbworks.com/w/file/83392051/DOS65-072714.zip
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* n8...-/***@public.gmane.org [mailto:n8...-/***@public.gmane.org] *On
>>>> Behalf Of *AG5AT
>>>>
>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 27, 2014 9:44 PM
>>>> *To:* n8...-/***@public.gmane.org
>>>>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [N8VEM: 18482] Re: 6x0x Board Update & Documentation
>>>> Help From Prototype Builders
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dan,
>>>>
>>>> Can you post the source to the new propeller code.
>>>>
>>>> Aug
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, July 27, 2014 3:20:23 PM UTC-5, AG5AT wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It works with my Samsung.
>>>> Aug
>>>>
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[AG5AT]

Whenever you get to it. I have lots to do. Cubix on to this board and other things.

Aug

[Andrew Bingham]

Aug,

I believe this was a design decision that John made when designing the
board. It was intended to support Rockwell or CMD 65C02's but not WDC;
this was to allow for the CPU to be swapped with the 6802. See the quote
below from an earlier thread on this in January (John said "Western
Digital" in his original post which I have corrected to Western Design
Center).

Andrew


Ian,
> Rich,
> The Western Design Center 65c02 is a different chip from the Rockwell or
> California Micro Devices 65c02's. I say this because of the different pin
> out, which includes pin 5 (MLB) and pin 36 (BE). These signals are *not* present
> on the Rockwell or CMD chips.
> The pins are connected to allow the 6802 or 6808 to share the same socket
> on the 6x0x board. With the WDC chip, two more jumpers would be needed.
> If you are going to swap processors (6502/6802) on the 6x0x board, then
> the solution below will defeat the 6802. As configured, the board will
> support the 65c02 from Rockwell or CMD, but not WD. If the only chip you
> will use in that socket is the WD 65c02, then the board surgery will be
> needed.
> All 65c02's are not created equal.
> --John


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[AG5AT]

<https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-dfnpMAqvarU/U9q64ELNXGI/AAAAAAAAACY/CWEoK7WGa-w/s1600/WDC65C02-Shim.JPG>
I think that John did not understand how little of a change would have been
required to allow the W65C02S6TPG-14 to work. Pin 36 needed to be able to
be jumpered to +5 and not ground. That is IT. I have built a shim out of
a rolled pin socket that allows this chip to work. See attached picture.
Clip pin 36 on the rolled pin socket off. Solder a jumper from pin 35 to
pin 36. That is it. Now the WDC 65c02 will work.

Aug



On Monday, July 28, 2014 2:45:11 PM UTC-5, Andrew Bingham wrote:
>
> Aug,
>
> I believe this was a design decision that John made when designing the
> board. It was intended to support Rockwell or CMD 65C02's but not WDC;
> this was to allow for the CPU to be swapped with the 6802. See the quote
> below from an earlier thread on this in January (John said "Western
> Digital" in his original post which I have corrected to Western Design
> Center).
>
> Andrew
>
>
> Ian,
>> Rich,
>> The Western Design Center 65c02 is a different chip from the Rockwell or
>> California Micro Devices 65c02's. I say this because of the different pin
>> out, which includes pin 5 (MLB) and pin 36 (BE). These signals are *not* present
>> on the Rockwell or CMD chips.
>> The pins are connected to allow the 6802 or 6808 to share the same socket
>> on the 6x0x board. With the WDC chip, two more jumpers would be needed.
>> If you are going to swap processors (6502/6802) on the 6x0x board, then
>> the solution below will defeat the 6802. As configured, the board will
>> support the 65c02 from Rockwell or CMD, but not WD. If the only chip you
>> will use in that socket is the WD 65c02, then the board surgery will be
>> needed.
>> All 65c02's are not created equal.
>> --John
>
>
>

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I've used adapters like this for some time.&nbsp; SBC v1 was designed for
EPROM only.&nbsp; As I made the transition to Flash memory, I fashioned
an adapter of this ilk below the ZIF socket.<br>
<br>
Good solution.<br>
<br>
--John<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 07/31/2014 02:54 PM, AG5AT wrote:
<blockquote
cite="mid:8871cc82-0788-4303-863b-56169eb9b5cc-/***@public.gmane.org"
type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<p style="text-align: center; clear: both;" class="separator"><a
moz-do-not-send="true" style="margin-left: 1em;
margin-right: 1em;"
href="https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-dfnpMAqvarU/U9q64ELNXGI/AAAAAAAAACY/CWEoK7WGa-w/s1600/WDC65C02-Shim.JPG"
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I think that John did not understand how little of a change
would have been required to allow the W65C02S6TPG-14 to work.&nbsp;
Pin 36 needed to be able to be jumpered to +5 and not ground.&nbsp;
That is IT.&nbsp; I have built a shim out of a rolled pin socket that
allows this chip to work.&nbsp; See attached picture.&nbsp; Clip pin 36 on
the rolled pin socket off.&nbsp; Solder a jumper from pin 35 to pin
36.&nbsp;&nbsp; That is it.&nbsp; Now the WDC 65c02 will work.<br>
<br>
Aug<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Monday, July 28, 2014 2:45:11 PM UTC-5, Andrew Bingham wrote:
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt
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padding-left: 1ex;">
<div dir="ltr">
<div>Aug,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I believe this was a design decision that John made
when designing the board. &nbsp;It was intended to support
Rockwell or CMD 65C02's but not WDC; this was to allow for
the CPU to be swapped with the 6802. &nbsp;See the quote below
from an earlier thread on this in January (John said
"Western Digital" in his original post which I have
corrected to Western Design Center).&nbsp;</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Andrew</div>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px
0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);
padding-left: 1ex;">Ian,<br>
Rich,<br>
The Western Design Center 65c02 is a different chip from
the Rockwell or California Micro Devices 65c02's.&nbsp; I say
this because of the different pin out, which includes
pin 5 (MLB) and pin 36 (BE).&nbsp; These signals are&nbsp;<u>not</u>&nbsp;present
on the Rockwell or CMD chips.<br>
The pins are connected to allow the 6802 or 6808 to
share the same socket on the 6x0x board.&nbsp; With the WDC
chip, two more jumpers would be needed.<br>
If you are going to swap processors (6502/6802) on the
6x0x board, then the solution below will defeat the
6802.&nbsp; As configured, the board will support the 65c02
from Rockwell or CMD, but not WD.&nbsp; If the only chip you
will use in that socket is the WD 65c02, then the board
surgery will be needed.<br>
All 65c02's are not created equal.<br>
--John</blockquote>
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[Ian May]

Hi Aug,
The previous discussion about the WDC 65C02 is here
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/n8vem/JL1ubJlH4HY .
Cut and paste of part of one of my posts :

There is an application note here
http://www.westerndesigncenter.com/wdc/AN-002_W65C02S_Replacements.cfm
"Replacement Notes for Obsolete Versions of 6502 8-bit Microprocessors"
which identifies one more pin incompatibility. Pin 1 is now an output VPB -
Vector Pull which goes low during interrupt sequences. I don't recall that
being brought up in the group so that should be left out of the socket as
suggested for the Apple machines. Perhaps there should be a link to that
app. note in the wiki? Note that there are also recommendations for the RDY
pin: "[my comments]"

IN SUMMARY: The W65C02S6T (40 pin PDIP) is mostly pin compatible by making
the following modifications:

- 1.) Cut the trace to VPB (Pin 1). Optionally you can pull this pin up.
[Don't they mean out rather than up???]
- 2.) BE (Pin 36) should be tied directly to VDD (Pin 8).
- 3.) Add a 3.3K Ohm pull-up resistor on RDY (Pin 2) if not being
driven; Add a 3.3K Ohm series current limiting resitor to RDY (Pin 2) if
being driven.[How much does that slow it down?]
- 4.) WDC does not recommend using the SToP or WAIt instruction on the
replacement designs that do not have a current limiting resistor.

[End cut and paste.]

So have you pulled or clipped pin 1 from the socket and what have you done
with pin 2 (there is a jumper block for that)?
Cheers,
Ian.

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[AG5AT]

<https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/--US1HfkRfMQ/U90MIdH--FI/AAAAAAAAACo/4NOSRg5ZYS8/s1600/WDC65C02-Shim1-20.JPG>
I had done none of those things as I wasn't aware of them. However, I have
made those changes. I have attached a picture of the Pin 1 to 20 here. It
works just fine.

Clip Pin 1
Solder 3.3K between Pin 2 and Pin 8.
The original other side
The jumper from Pin 36 to Pin 35 accounts for Pin 36 to Pin 8 (Vdd) as Pin
35 is tied to V+.


Aug


On Friday, August 1, 2014 10:06:13 AM UTC-5, Ian May wrote:
>
> Hi Aug,
> The previous discussion about the WDC 65C02 is here
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/n8vem/JL1ubJlH4HY .
> Cut and paste of part of one of my posts :
>
> There is an application note here
> http://www.westerndesigncenter.com/wdc/AN-002_W65C02S_Replacements.cfm
> "Replacement Notes for Obsolete Versions of 6502 8-bit Microprocessors"
> which identifies one more pin incompatibility. Pin 1 is now an output VPB -
> Vector Pull which goes low during interrupt sequences. I don't recall that
> being brought up in the group so that should be left out of the socket as
> suggested for the Apple machines. Perhaps there should be a link to that
> app. note in the wiki? Note that there are also recommendations for the RDY
> pin: "[my comments]"
>
> IN SUMMARY: The W65C02S6T (40 pin PDIP) is mostly pin compatible by making
> the following modifications:
>
> - 1.) Cut the trace to VPB (Pin 1). Optionally you can pull this pin
> up. [Don't they mean out rather than up???]
> - 2.) BE (Pin 36) should be tied directly to VDD (Pin 8).
> - 3.) Add a 3.3K Ohm pull-up resistor on RDY (Pin 2) if not being
> driven; Add a 3.3K Ohm series current limiting resitor to RDY (Pin 2) if
> being driven.[How much does that slow it down?]
> - 4.) WDC does not recommend using the SToP or WAIt instruction on the
> replacement designs that do not have a current limiting resistor.
>
> [End cut and paste.]
>
> So have you pulled or clipped pin 1 from the socket and what have you done
> with pin 2 (there is a jumper block for that)?
> Cheers,
> Ian.
>
>

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[Ian May]

Hi Aug,
The worry that I had was that the driver for pin 1 would have been trying
to pull that pin high most of the time and it is connected to ground. That
would have increased the power dissipation in the 65C02.
Cheers,

[Mike Niswonger]

The 913T should be fine at 60Hz. Here is the info from the 913T manual:

Could you possibly have the sync inverted? The monitor will then try
and lock into 1024x768 mode and would probably give you the screen you
are seeing...


Mode H (kHz) V (Hz) Pix Clk (MHz)
H/V sync polarity
VESA, 1024 x 768 48.363 *60.004 65.000 -/-
VESA, 1024 x 768 56.476 70.069 75.000 -/-
VESA, 1024 x 768 60.023 75.029 78.750 +/+
VESA, 1152 x 864 67.500 75.000 108.00 +/+
VESA, 1280 x 1024 63.981 *60.020 108.00 +/+
VESA, 1280 x 1024 79.976 75.025 135.00 +/+

-- Mike Niswonger

On 07/20/2014 12:17 PM, AG5AT wrote:
>
> <https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-r1MkokP8ckA/U8v5olhYk7I/AAAAAAAAABw/a0nD7MTC5tQ/s1600/sun-wide.jpg>
>
> <https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-qWnUJ9mPjyI/U8v5fy1GjnI/AAAAAAAAABo/2Sc-ouA2hSE/s1600/samsung913t.jpg>
>
> Yes,
> I see that. But some of us aren't going to have monitors that support
> the particular frequencies that you chose. So is there a way to
> adjust things in the code. I have attached pictures of my Samsung
> that I will use for this project and also my other 22 inch widescreen
> monitor which does work. The Samsung 913T is 1280 x 1024 Vert 75hz,
> Hor 81 khz.
>
> Aug
>
>
> On Saturday, July 19, 2014 2:34:38 PM UTC-5, Dan Werner wrote:
>
> The source code is in the dos/65 source in the 6x0x host processor
> folder. I can send you a link once I get back home late tomorrow.
> This program uses a totally different VGA driver from the pocket
> term and requires svga resolution as it is higher resolution and
> supports color on a character by character basis.
>
> Dan
>
> On Jul 18, 2014 10:57 PM, "AG5AT" <atre...-***@public.gmane.org
> <javascript:>> wrote:
>
> Dan,
> I have my first board up and running (sort of). I don't think
> you included the source in the DOS/65 for the PPP Prop IO
> term. There is one way of in "test", but it doesn't seem to
> match up with the .eprom you provided. So far things are only
> "sort of" working. The characters seem to be too big. That
> is the bottom lines are way off the bottom of the screen. I
> have used this monitor with Vince Briel's prop term with all
> working fine.
>
> Aug
> In Arkansas
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 2, 2014 1:51:10 AM UTC-5, Andrew Bingham
> wrote:
>
> All,
>
> The 6x0x boards should be finishing fabrication on 7/7/14
> and based on DHL's delivery speed to me on the left coast
> here I expect to have the boards on ~7/10/14. At which
> point I will post some pictures for everyone and generate
> PayPal Invoices for all the folks who ordered to pay for
> their boards.
>
> One request - I've used the Zeta documentation page as a
> template and created the skeleton of a documentation page
> for the 6x0x board at -
> http://n8vem-sbc.pbworks.com/w/page/82119161/ECB%206x0x-ATX-6U
> <http://n8vem-sbc.pbworks.com/w/page/82119161/ECB%206x0x-ATX-6U>
>
> Since I did not build one of the prototype boards, it
> would be very useful to me if the folks who did build the
> Rev 008 prototypes could review the documentation page and
> provide any inputs. Especially the IC selection and
> software sections. You can either edit the page directly
> or send an email with what you want added and I'll do it.
>
> We are going to have 65 of these boards out in the wild
> (and I will be collecting names for a 2nd batch as well if
> there is demand) and I'd really like to have the highest
> quality documentation possible to go with them. Andrew
> L., John C. and the prototype builders put a lot of work
> into this board and I expect it to be a new flagship of
> the N8VEM project. I'm really just honored to be able to
> get them made and distributed to everyone.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Andrew B
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[oscarv]

Hi all,

I just completed soldering my board. I was planning to try Flex on the 6809
first.

1) Question on the 6x0x_flex9_27072014.zip
<http://n8vem-sbc.pbworks.com/w/file/83394157/6x0x_flex9_27072014.zip>
software from the wiki, though: it contains two rom images. ASSIST.BIN has
a datestamp of 27 July, ASSIST08 is dated somewhere in January. *The readme
tells me to burn ASSIST08.BIN, but I would think it's ASSIST.BIN?*

2) The readme mentions using a pin on 6522 VIA1 to select serial or VGA
mode. I don't have a VIA at hand, is it still a boot-up requirement on the
new non-prototype board for Flex?

3) I've got a 1.5MHz rated 6809. Is it somehow unwise to try and run it at
2 MHz once 1MHz is known to work?

Regards,

Oscar



Regards,

Oscar.


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On 08/09/2014 05:51 PM, oscarv wrote:
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<div dir="ltr">Hi all,<br>
<br>
I just completed soldering my board. I was planning to try Flex
on the 6809 first.<br>
<br>
1) Question on the <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://n8vem-sbc.pbworks.com/w/file/83394157/6x0x_flex9_27072014.zip">6x0x_flex9_27072014.zip</a>
software from the wiki, though: it contains two rom images.
ASSIST.BIN has a datestamp of 27 July, ASSIST08 is dated
somewhere in January. <i>The readme tells me to burn
ASSIST08.BIN, but I would think it's ASSIST.BIN?</i><br>
<br>
2) The readme mentions using a pin on 6522 VIA1 to select serial
or VGA mode. I don't have a VIA at hand, is it still a boot-up
requirement on the new non-prototype board for Flex?<br>
<br>
3) I've got a 1.5MHz rated 6809. Is it somehow unwise to try and
run it at 2 MHz once 1MHz is known to work?<br>
</div>
</blockquote>
Oscar,<br>
<br>
Overclocking is often a hit-or-miss proposition, determined by trial
and error.&nbsp; The main hazard to the chip is overheating.&nbsp; Run first
at 1Mhz; see how hot the chip runs.&nbsp; I would suggest running at
1.5Mhz next (you'll have to change the oscillator to do this).&nbsp;
Again check how hot the chip runs.&nbsp; If it is hot at that speed, I
would hesitate to overclock it.&nbsp; Heat dissipation aside, the chip
may or may not run overclocked by 33%.<br>
<br>
The 68A09 is an NMOS chip (Motorola called it HMOS - for High
density N-channel MOS).&nbsp; NMOS dissipates much more power than CMOS.&nbsp;
The latter can often be overclocked without burning up.<br>
<br>
If speed is your goal, consider an upgrade to the HD63C09P from
Hitachi.&nbsp; (3Mhz).&nbsp; Watch out, there is also an incompatible -EP
version, analogous to the 6809E. &nbsp; Also be careful not to run so
fast that the peripheral chips on the board cannot keep up.<br>
<br>
--John<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Regards,<br>
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Oscar<br>
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[Borut]

Hi Oscar!

Ad 1) You are right, ASSIST.BIN is the correct file and latest build. I'll
update the readme file.
ASSIST08.bin is a remnant of the past.

Ad 2) For normal operation, VIA1 is required. The system might work without
it, but i can not guess if it would be in
serial or prop mode. You might try a weak pull up or pull down on D1 pin of
VIA1 to force it's state when no other
source is driving the bus, but that is a kludge i wouldn't go into.
If you want to run the system over serial port, please use the preview
build. It lacks some details,
but mostly it works.

Ad 3) Depends on your particular part and also on other components of your
system (PTM, PIA, ....)
Motorola never made parts faster than 2MHz, there is Hitachi's HD63C09
which runs at 3MHz, but there is no PTM (6840) faster than 2MHz.
Assist9 monitor uses PTM for single stepping.
If you don't need that, there are WDC's W65C21S PIAs as a replacement for
6821, VIA 65C22 and ACIA 65C51 are available in grades up to 4Mhz on ebay,
just don't buy WDC's W65C51 because they are crap. WDS's W65C22N are ok,
but W65C22S has totem pole output on IRQ and is unsuitable for our board.

Regarding overclocking, i wouldn't know, i am generally more concerned that
my systems work, than with their speed.

Best regards,

Bo/

Dne nedelja, 10. avgust 2014 02:51:14 UTC+2 je oseba oscarv napisala:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I just completed soldering my board. I was planning to try Flex on the
> 6809 first.
>
> 1) Question on the 6x0x_flex9_27072014.zip
> <http://n8vem-sbc.pbworks.com/w/file/83394157/6x0x_flex9_27072014.zip>
> software from the wiki, though: it contains two rom images. ASSIST.BIN has
> a datestamp of 27 July, ASSIST08 is dated somewhere in January. *The
> readme tells me to burn ASSIST08.BIN, but I would think it's ASSIST.BIN?*
>
> 2) The readme mentions using a pin on 6522 VIA1 to select serial or VGA
> mode. I don't have a VIA at hand, is it still a boot-up requirement on the
> new non-prototype board for Flex?
>
> 3) I've got a 1.5MHz rated 6809. Is it somehow unwise to try and run it at
> 2 MHz once 1MHz is known to work?
>
> Regards,
>
> Oscar
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Oscar.
>
>
>

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[oscarv]

Borut, John,

Thanks! No, speed is not the objective... I'll switch to the 1.5Mhz later
on but 1Mhz it is for now. I found a WDC W65C22N, the one Borut mentioned
as OK. So I put that in. To my shame, I did not read the data sheet... are
there any caveats for the W65C22*N* like there are for the WDC 65C02? Given
the 'N' I assumed not so far.

That having said, I just powered up and got as far as




*Starting PropIO before mount*The SD LED stays on quite long if I put in
an SD card, and very briefly without.

Checking the Spin code, I assume I need to check the settings for the SD
card connector, my SD card soldering skills or maybe the formatting (FAT16
I assume) for the SD card.

More worrying is that I got a lot of garbage (steady stream, no
recognisable baud rate) from the Propeller serial port for about 15 minutes
during normal operation, then it went quiet.


One comment for the Wiki:

It says *JP5, 1-2 = serial bootloading or 2-3 = normal or prop plug
bootloading*
I am pretty sure that should be *JP5, 1-2 = prop plug bootloading or 2-3 =
normal or serial bootloading*?


Regarding CPU Select jumper settings, am I correct in thinking that for a
6809 *I can leave all XJ jumpers open*? i.e., no jumpers at all there?
Looking at the schematic, I would actually think XJ5 is not indifferent
when using the 6809 (as the wiki says) - if you would short XJ5 pins 1-2
then BA is pulled low against whatever the 6809 would try to do with it?

Last question, apologies for the lazyness: Should I short JP2, which pulls
the 6809 XTAL (pin 39) to GND?

Regards,

Oscar.
On Sunday, August 10, 2014 12:22:41 PM UTC+2, Borut wrote:
>
> Hi Oscar!
>
> Ad 1) You are right, ASSIST.BIN is the correct file and latest build. I'll
> update the readme file.
> ASSIST08.bin is a remnant of the past.
>
> Ad 2) For normal operation, VIA1 is required. The system might work
> without it, but i can not guess if it would be in
> serial or prop mode. You might try a weak pull up or pull down on D1 pin
> of VIA1 to force it's state when no other
> source is driving the bus, but that is a kludge i wouldn't go into.
> If you want to run the system over serial port, please use the preview
> build. It lacks some details,
> but mostly it works.
>
> Ad 3) Depends on your particular part and also on other components of your
> system (PTM, PIA, ....)
> Motorola never made parts faster than 2MHz, there is Hitachi's HD63C09
> which runs at 3MHz, but there is no PTM (6840) faster than 2MHz.
> Assist9 monitor uses PTM for single stepping.
> If you don't need that, there are WDC's W65C21S PIAs as a replacement for
> 6821, VIA 65C22 and ACIA 65C51 are available in grades up to 4Mhz on ebay,
> just don't buy WDC's W65C51 because they are crap. WDS's W65C22N are ok,
> but W65C22S has totem pole output on IRQ and is unsuitable for our board.
>
> Regarding overclocking, i wouldn't know, i am generally more concerned
> that my systems work, than with their speed.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Bo/
>
> Dne nedelja, 10. avgust 2014 02:51:14 UTC+2 je oseba oscarv napisala:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I just completed soldering my board. I was planning to try Flex on the
>> 6809 first.
>>
>> 1) Question on the 6x0x_flex9_27072014.zip
>> <http://n8vem-sbc.pbworks.com/w/file/83394157/6x0x_flex9_27072014.zip>
>> software from the wiki, though: it contains two rom images. ASSIST.BIN has
>> a datestamp of 27 July, ASSIST08 is dated somewhere in January. *The
>> readme tells me to burn ASSIST08.BIN, but I would think it's ASSIST.BIN?*
>>
>> 2) The readme mentions using a pin on 6522 VIA1 to select serial or VGA
>> mode. I don't have a VIA at hand, is it still a boot-up requirement on the
>> new non-prototype board for Flex?
>>
>> 3) I've got a 1.5MHz rated 6809. Is it somehow unwise to try and run it
>> at 2 MHz once 1MHz is known to work?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Oscar
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Oscar.
>>
>>
>>

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[Borut]

Oscar,

It looks like prop can't mount (access) the SD card. Check soldering and
connections. I
use a 2Gb no name card, but i haven't tried with SDHC cards (>2Gb).
The card should be cleanly formatted FAT16 and should contain 5 files from
the zip.
The prop driver for SD expects individual files to be in continuous sectors.
The software in prop does not support hot plugging of SD card.
Also the prop software does not support serial port, i don't even have
MAX232 in my board.

You might also try first running the board in serial console mode, with
Assist9 monitor.
For that you need ACIA 65c51.
Then you can run a small test program in rom, that checks ps2 function.
VGA obviously works. :)
I have JP2 shorted to GND.
JP5 - i have 2-3 connected for prop plug.
I also don't have any XJ jumpers connected.

Best regards,

Bo/


Dne nedelja, 10. avgust 2014 20:23:36 UTC+2 je oseba oscarv napisala:
>
> Borut, John,
>
> Thanks! No, speed is not the objective... I'll switch to the 1.5Mhz later
> on but 1Mhz it is for now. I found a WDC W65C22N, the one Borut mentioned
> as OK. So I put that in. To my shame, I did not read the data sheet... are
> there any caveats for the W65C22*N* like there are for the WDC 65C02?
> Given the 'N' I assumed not so far.
>
> That having said, I just powered up and got as far as
>
>
>
>
> *Starting PropIO before mount*The SD LED stays on quite long if I put in
> an SD card, and very briefly without.
>
> Checking the Spin code, I assume I need to check the settings for the SD
> card connector, my SD card soldering skills or maybe the formatting (FAT16
> I assume) for the SD card.
>
> More worrying is that I got a lot of garbage (steady stream, no
> recognisable baud rate) from the Propeller serial port for about 15 minutes
> during normal operation, then it went quiet.
>
>
> One comment for the Wiki:
>
> It says *JP5, 1-2 = serial bootloading or 2-3 = normal or prop plug
> bootloading*
> I am pretty sure that should be *JP5, 1-2 = prop plug bootloading or 2-3
> = normal or serial bootloading*?
>
>
> Regarding CPU Select jumper settings, am I correct in thinking that for a
> 6809 *I can leave all XJ jumpers open*? i.e., no jumpers at all there?
> Looking at the schematic, I would actually think XJ5 is not indifferent
> when using the 6809 (as the wiki says) - if you would short XJ5 pins 1-2
> then BA is pulled low against whatever the 6809 would try to do with it?
>
> Last question, apologies for the lazyness: Should I short JP2, which pulls
> the 6809 XTAL (pin 39) to GND?
>
> Regards,
>
> Oscar.
> On Sunday, August 10, 2014 12:22:41 PM UTC+2, Borut wrote:
>>
>> Hi Oscar!
>>
>> Ad 1) You are right, ASSIST.BIN is the correct file and latest build.
>> I'll update the readme file.
>> ASSIST08.bin is a remnant of the past.
>>
>> Ad 2) For normal operation, VIA1 is required. The system might work
>> without it, but i can not guess if it would be in
>> serial or prop mode. You might try a weak pull up or pull down on D1 pin
>> of VIA1 to force it's state when no other
>> source is driving the bus, but that is a kludge i wouldn't go into.
>> If you want to run the system over serial port, please use the preview
>> build. It lacks some details,
>> but mostly it works.
>>
>> Ad 3) Depends on your particular part and also on other components of
>> your system (PTM, PIA, ....)
>> Motorola never made parts faster than 2MHz, there is Hitachi's HD63C09
>> which runs at 3MHz, but there is no PTM (6840) faster than 2MHz.
>> Assist9 monitor uses PTM for single stepping.
>> If you don't need that, there are WDC's W65C21S PIAs as a replacement for
>> 6821, VIA 65C22 and ACIA 65C51 are available in grades up to 4Mhz on ebay,
>> just don't buy WDC's W65C51 because they are crap. WDS's W65C22N are ok,
>> but W65C22S has totem pole output on IRQ and is unsuitable for our board.
>>
>> Regarding overclocking, i wouldn't know, i am generally more concerned
>> that my systems work, than with their speed.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Bo/
>>
>> Dne nedelja, 10. avgust 2014 02:51:14 UTC+2 je oseba oscarv napisala:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I just completed soldering my board. I was planning to try Flex on the
>>> 6809 first.
>>>
>>> 1) Question on the 6x0x_flex9_27072014.zip
>>> <http://n8vem-sbc.pbworks.com/w/file/83394157/6x0x_flex9_27072014.zip>
>>> software from the wiki, though: it contains two rom images. ASSIST.BIN has
>>> a datestamp of 27 July, ASSIST08 is dated somewhere in January. *The
>>> readme tells me to burn ASSIST08.BIN, but I would think it's ASSIST.BIN?*
>>>
>>> 2) The readme mentions using a pin on 6522 VIA1 to select serial or VGA
>>> mode. I don't have a VIA at hand, is it still a boot-up requirement on the
>>> new non-prototype board for Flex?
>>>
>>> 3) I've got a 1.5MHz rated 6809. Is it somehow unwise to try and run it
>>> at 2 MHz once 1MHz is known to work?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Oscar
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Oscar.
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[oscarv]

Borut,

I spent a few hours exploring my Flex/Propeller problem. It boils down to
the following, maybe you have some suggestions?

1. The Spin code fails at *almost* the first contact with the SD card, when
it calls FindSDblock to mount the SD card. That function calls frsw's
mount_explicit function, which aborts with an error code of -20. Code
snippet where it fails from within the fsrw library:

*if (filesystem == 0)*
* abort(-20) ' not a fat16 or fat32 volume*

2. I tried 3 different SD cards (one old 512MB noname, one 1GB SD Sandisk,
one 2GB Sandisk. No SDHC's. I tried formatting them under Windows, and
using the SD Card Formatter 4.0, which is supposed to solve some SD
problems with Arduinos. All have the same problem, with FAT16 or FAT32.

3. I then uploaded the 6x08 Flex Spin code into the ParPortProp board of my
Zeta. It has pretty much the same schematic, and indeed it worked - I got
exactly the same error.

4. I then did it the other way around: uploaded the ParPortProp Spin code
into the 6x0x board. That worked too, and recognised/mounted the Zeta's SD
card (with CPM formatting of course) without a problem.

5. I checked all soldering and contacts from the Propeller to the SD card.
I can't see anything wrong...

6. Using a logic probe,I do see/hear SPI chatter when the 6x0x Spin code
boots up, the D1 LED lights up. The WR and CD pins do what they are
supposed to do too.

So it *seems* that the hardware is not at fault - the Zeta PPP board loaded
up with the Flex boot code has the same problem. And vice versa, the 6x0x
board happily deals with the N8VEM SD card using the Zeta code. The one
thing I notice: the Zeta Spin code uses safe_spi directly, not through
fsrw.

Any leads that arise from this from your reading?

Kind regards,

Oscar

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[oscarv]

Borut,

Eurgh. Propeller problem solved. It was a case of RTFM. As your readme says:


*Currently uses 'mb_rawb_spi' object in fsrw for faster SD card access. If
it doesn't work, recompile with 'safe_spi'.*

Indeed. This problem solved with that change. Now on to booting the 6809.

Kind regards,

Oscar.



On Tuesday, August 12, 2014 6:30:21 AM UTC+2, oscarv wrote:
>
> Borut,
>
> I spent a few hours exploring my Flex/Propeller problem. It boils down to
> the following, maybe you have some suggestions?
>
> 1. The Spin code fails at *almost* the first contact with the SD card,
> when it calls FindSDblock to mount the SD card. That function calls frsw's
> mount_explicit function, which aborts with an error code of -20. Code
> snippet where it fails from within the fsrw library:
>
> *if (filesystem == 0)*
> * abort(-20) ' not a fat16 or fat32 volume*
>
> 2. I tried 3 different SD cards (one old 512MB noname, one 1GB SD Sandisk,
> one 2GB Sandisk. No SDHC's. I tried formatting them under Windows, and
> using the SD Card Formatter 4.0, which is supposed to solve some SD
> problems with Arduinos. All have the same problem, with FAT16 or FAT32.
>
> 3. I then uploaded the 6x08 Flex Spin code into the ParPortProp board of
> my Zeta. It has pretty much the same schematic, and indeed it worked - I
> got exactly the same error.
>
> 4. I then did it the other way around: uploaded the ParPortProp Spin code
> into the 6x0x board. That worked too, and recognised/mounted the Zeta's SD
> card (with CPM formatting of course) without a problem.
>
> 5. I checked all soldering and contacts from the Propeller to the SD card.
> I can't see anything wrong...
>
> 6. Using a logic probe,I do see/hear SPI chatter when the 6x0x Spin code
> boots up, the D1 LED lights up. The WR and CD pins do what they are
> supposed to do too.
>
> So it *seems* that the hardware is not at fault - the Zeta PPP board
> loaded up with the Flex boot code has the same problem. And vice versa, the
> 6x0x board happily deals with the N8VEM SD card using the Zeta code. The
> one thing I notice: the Zeta Spin code uses safe_spi directly, not through
> fsrw.
>
> Any leads that arise from this from your reading?
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Oscar
>
>

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[AG5AT]

Yes,
I had to use safe_spi also. I forgot about that change. OOPS, could have
saved you a day or so of bashing your head against the wall.

Aug


On Tuesday, August 12, 2014 12:14:12 AM UTC-5, oscarv wrote:
>
> Borut,
>
> Eurgh. Propeller problem solved. It was a case of RTFM. As your readme
> says:
>
>
> *Currently uses 'mb_rawb_spi' object in fsrw for faster SD card access. If
> it doesn't work, recompile with 'safe_spi'.*
>
> Indeed. This problem solved with that change. Now on to booting the 6809.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Oscar.
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, August 12, 2014 6:30:21 AM UTC+2, oscarv wrote:
>>
>> Borut,
>>
>> I spent a few hours exploring my Flex/Propeller problem. It boils down to
>> the following, maybe you have some suggestions?
>>
>> 1. The Spin code fails at *almost* the first contact with the SD card,
>> when it calls FindSDblock to mount the SD card. That function calls frsw's
>> mount_explicit function, which aborts with an error code of -20. Code
>> snippet where it fails from within the fsrw library:
>>
>> *if (filesystem == 0)*
>> * abort(-20) ' not a fat16 or fat32 volume*
>>
>> 2. I tried 3 different SD cards (one old 512MB noname, one 1GB SD
>> Sandisk, one 2GB Sandisk. No SDHC's. I tried formatting them under Windows,
>> and using the SD Card Formatter 4.0, which is supposed to solve some SD
>> problems with Arduinos. All have the same problem, with FAT16 or FAT32.
>>
>> 3. I then uploaded the 6x08 Flex Spin code into the ParPortProp board of
>> my Zeta. It has pretty much the same schematic, and indeed it worked - I
>> got exactly the same error.
>>
>> 4. I then did it the other way around: uploaded the ParPortProp Spin code
>> into the 6x0x board. That worked too, and recognised/mounted the Zeta's SD
>> card (with CPM formatting of course) without a problem.
>>
>> 5. I checked all soldering and contacts from the Propeller to the SD
>> card. I can't see anything wrong...
>>
>> 6. Using a logic probe,I do see/hear SPI chatter when the 6x0x Spin code
>> boots up, the D1 LED lights up. The WR and CD pins do what they are
>> supposed to do too.
>>
>> So it *seems* that the hardware is not at fault - the Zeta PPP board
>> loaded up with the Flex boot code has the same problem. And vice versa, the
>> 6x0x board happily deals with the N8VEM SD card using the Zeta code. The
>> one thing I notice: the Zeta Spin code uses safe_spi directly, not through
>> fsrw.
>>
>> Any leads that arise from this from your reading?
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Oscar
>>
>>

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[oscarv]

Aug,

It's better this way. No fun if stuff just works, why would yo dive into
schematics and Spin code then? :)

Getting the 6809 part of the board to work is the bigger challenge ahead
now.

Regards,

Oscar.

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[Borut]

Oscar,

Due to your and Aug's experience i'll change the prop project to use safe
spi by default.
I never had problems with my SD cards but i am using only a variety of
cheap chinese cards.
But i have no Sandisk and Kingstons.
For 6809 are you getting pulses on ACIA CS (pia3)?
If they are there, check JP13, if CTS is pulled HIGH.
You might also try binary from preview version, because it doesn't depend
on VIA1.

Bo/


Dne torek, 12. avgust 2014 08:29:04 UTC+2 je oseba oscarv napisala:
>
> Aug,
>
> It's better this way. No fun if stuff just works, why would yo dive into
> schematics and Spin code then? :)
>
> Getting the 6809 part of the board to work is the bigger challenge ahead
> now.
>
> Regards,
>
> Oscar.
>
>

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[AG5AT]

I have had bad 6551s. Order 2 and only 1 works. Same markings.
Also, check jumpers about 99 times.

Aug

[oscarv]

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Borut, John, Aug,

Thanks! Flex is up and running. Like you said: check jumpers. The bizarre
thing is that I had to remove jumpers P2 1-2 and 2-3, dealing with the
A18/19 address lines. I'm going to think about the 'why' of this tomorrow,
maybe I programmed the Flash with incorrect programmer settings. Willem
programmers have some strange jumper logic for A18/19/VPP, maybe I got that
wrong during progamming and placed the ROM image somewhere else than at
$00000.

But for now, I'm playing with Flex!

Regards,

Oscar.

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[oscarv]

Correction: that'll be jumpers P2 1-2 and 3-4 that I removed of course.

Regards,

Oscar

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Oscar,<br>
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Could you check to see if P2 jumper 1-2 is a don't care; meaning,
the board works with it on or off.&nbsp; Keep 3-4 off.&nbsp; The 512K Flash or
EPROM does not use mA19, so if the programming offset the code by
0x40000 (A18 asserted), then the programmer problem you mention is
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[AG5AT]

John,

Maybe we need a bit of explaination about P2. My understanding is you are
choosing which 64K segment of the 512K flash to be used. Also generally
the code must be placed at offset F000 into that portion. Us Unix dudes
use srec_cat to place the .s19 file in the correct place within a bin file
that is 512k big. Also, my guess was the intention was to be able to put
multiple boot roms in the same flash. Changing the P2 jumper settings
chooses which one would be used. That is what I understand from your
description of the jumpers in your text file that you published.

Aug


On Tuesday, August 12, 2014 9:58:36 PM UTC-5, John Coffman wrote:
>
> Oscar,
>
> Could you check to see if P2 jumper 1-2 is a don't care; meaning, the
> board works with it on or off. Keep 3-4 off. The 512K Flash or EPROM does
> not use mA19, so if the programming offset the code by 0x40000 (A18
> asserted), then the programmer problem you mention is probably the culprit.
>
> --John
>
>
>
>
> On 08/12/2014 03:31 PM, oscarv wrote:
>
> Correction: that'll be jumpers P2 1-2 and 3-4 that I removed of course.
>
> Regards,
>
> Oscar
>
>
>

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[oscarv]

John,

You're correct. Jumpering 1-2 or not doesn't matter. I programmed the Flash
with the wrong pinout in the Willem, that must be it. Well, the good thing
is, I learned a lot about the innards of the 6x0x board over the last two
days before figuring that out :)

Regards,

Oscar.

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[John Coffman]

Wiring Update (2) 14-Jan-2014:
MANDATORY

Fix race condition on MMU memory chip address lines.

Disconnect U3 pin 1 aka U3.1 (/MMU-MAP-RW)
Connect U3.1 to U8.1 (MMU-ENABLE)

Fix is easy to install on top of board by bending U3.1 up
and wiring to socket U8.1.

Pix: IMG_0417.jpeg, IMG_O418.jpeg, & IMG_0419.jpeg.

====================================================


Wiring Update:
MANDATORY

/RESET needs a pull-up resistor.

Connect a wire from U33 pin 10
to RR6 (2200) pin 8.

====================================================

Jumper Settings for 6809 TEST1:

These 6 jumpers pertain to
the 6502/6802 socket only
XJ1 open
XJ2 open
XJ3 open
XJ4 open
XJ5 open (for 6809)
XJ6 open

XK1 shorted 1-2 for 6809
3-4 open (6502)
5-6 open (6502 alternate

XK2 1-2 open (6802)
2-3 shorted (6502/6809)


P2 connect:
1-2 A19==0
3-4 A18==0
5-6 A17==0
7-8 A16==0
sets the ROM boot prefix (A19..A16)

P3 clock (conservative)
3-4 4Mhz CLK
== 1Mhz CPU

P6 Propeller plug, NC

P8 SDcard personality
(soldered connections
depend on the socket
you have installed.
see "dual SDcard configuration.pdf"
under "ECB dual SD card".)

P12 Propeller SIO, NC

P13 External Battery connector
I soldered a 0.1F Super Cap
here

P23 External ATX power switch, NC

P26 address A16..A19, NC

JP1 DS1302 connection to VBAT
open: I used a Super Cap

JP2 shorted for MC6809

JP5 Propeller Normal/Load
connect 1-2, for now

JP9 open

JP10 PIO to B_/INT, open

JP12 /NMI connection, open

JP13 open

JP14 External Reset connector, open

JP15 B_/RESET option
connect 1-2 for N8VEM legacy

K1 1-2 for Flash memory (open for WrProt)
2-3 for EPROM

K5 Power/Gnd to PIO 26-pin header
1-2 GND (shorted)
(2-3 VCC)

K6 Timer output to NMI (1-2)
2-3 shorted

K17 1-2 MMU disable on INTA
2-3 Clear Task Reg. on INTA
2-3 shorted, for now



John Coffman
10-Jan-2014

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[AG5AT]

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Oscar,

Attached is what you should see on the monitor. You need to use a 2 gig or
less (if I remember right) SD card.

And I was jumpered for serial so on serial 9600

----------------------------------------------------------------------
ASSIST09
>F

FLEX for MC6809 Version 2.9:2 - N8VEM
01/01/00-00:00:81


1 January 2000
NOT FOUND
EX ABORTED
+++

Aug
In Arkansas

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[oscarv]

Borut, John, Aug,

Thanks for the very helpful replies! Life gets in the way of my progress
for the next couple of days but I've got some good leads now.

It looks like I have two separate, independent problems. That the Propeller
does not mount the SD is a problem wholly independent of the 6809 working
or not. The fact that the 6809/6551 is not talking through the serial port
(with the VGA jumper JP3 open) is independent of the Propeller working or
not.

The two processes really boot independent from each other if I understand
the boot code correctly.

Regards,

Oscar.

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[RichLeary]

Andrew - are there any 6x0x boards still available. If so I would like two
if possible. If not available please put me on the waiting list for the
next batch.

Thanks,

Rich

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Andrew - are there any 6x0x boards still available. If so I would like two if possible. If not available please put me on the waiting list for the next batch.
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