Discussion:
[N8VEM: 18291] SBC-188 V2 Jumper Settings
Andrew Bingham
2014-06-19 23:40:52 UTC
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My SBC-188 has finally reached the "ready to program ROM and try to boot"
stage.

However, there seem to be a number of jumpers on this board and I want to
make sure I have them set correctly.

Here is what I can discern:
J1, J3, J30, J31 - set to NONE, 1-2, NONE, 2-3 for my 29F010 chip

J2 - Reset Select - 1-2 for N8VEM-style reset (/RESET_OUT to B_/RESET)
J4 - Blackplane Battery Connection In/Out - OPEN for local supercap backup
connected to P6 (not using backplane yet)
J5 - Parallel Port Pin 25 Select - OPEN/NONE (not needed unless I use the
parallel output, then connects pin 25 to ground or +5V, set carefully based
on connected device)
J6 - RTC Option Jumper - ???? No Idea
J7 - ECB /CLK Connection - OPEN (no backplane used) - would output CLK onto
ECB bus

So it looks like I need to set J3 and J31 for the ROM and J2 for reset and
I am good to go? What is J6 used for?

Andrew
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Andrew Bingham
2014-06-20 05:20:26 UTC
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Well, I'm going to assume that J6 doesn't do much because my board started
right up the very first time, POST and NVRAM setup good. *thumbsup*.

However I don't have a floppy drive or PPIDE setup to use with it - in fact
I don't have the WD floppy chip yet. Even when I tell the NVRAM there are
'0' floppies and '0' PPIDE/Dual IDE board drives, it hangs at "Now
initializing floppy" - I don't get to TinyBASIC.

(Maybe the board won't make it to TinyBASIC without the WD chip there?)

Also, what does the 'Diodes & Resistors' line in the NVRAM setup mean?

Andrew
Post by Andrew Bingham
My SBC-188 has finally reached the "ready to program ROM and try to boot"
stage.
However, there seem to be a number of jumpers on this board and I want to
make sure I have them set correctly.
J1, J3, J30, J31 - set to NONE, 1-2, NONE, 2-3 for my 29F010 chip
J2 - Reset Select - 1-2 for N8VEM-style reset (/RESET_OUT to B_/RESET)
J4 - Blackplane Battery Connection In/Out - OPEN for local supercap backup
connected to P6 (not using backplane yet)
J5 - Parallel Port Pin 25 Select - OPEN/NONE (not needed unless I use the
parallel output, then connects pin 25 to ground or +5V, set carefully based
on connected device)
J6 - RTC Option Jumper - ???? No Idea
J7 - ECB /CLK Connection - OPEN (no backplane used) - would output CLK
onto ECB bus
So it looks like I need to set J3 and J31 for the ROM and J2 for reset and
I am good to go? What is J6 used for?
Andrew
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John Coffman
2014-06-20 06:59:48 UTC
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On 06/19/2014 10:20 PM, Andrew Bingham wrote:
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cite="mid:8940b20d-7899-4e6f-91a3-31a5ccec66a1-/***@public.gmane.org"
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<div dir="ltr">Well, I'm going to assume that J6 doesn't do much
because my board started right up the very first time, POST and
NVRAM setup good. &nbsp;*thumbsup*.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>However I don't have a floppy drive or PPIDE setup to use
with it - in fact I don't have the WD floppy chip yet. &nbsp;Even
when I tell the NVRAM there are '0' floppies and '0'
PPIDE/Dual IDE board drives, it hangs at "Now initializing
floppy" - I don't get to TinyBASIC.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>(Maybe the board won't make it to TinyBASIC without the WD
chip there?)</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Also, what does the 'Diodes &amp; Resistors' line in the
NVRAM setup mean?</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
<br>
Andrew,<br>
<br>
This one threw me, until I saw the pictures.&nbsp; This refers to the
DS1302's ability to provide a trickle recharge capability for either
a rechargeable battery or a super cap.<br>
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; With a non-rechargeable battery use "0" as your response.&nbsp; Very
important if you use alkaline cells for backup.<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; With a super cap, use "2+4"&nbsp; (2 diodes means a 1.4 v drop from
5v; 4 means a 4K current limiting resistor)<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; With a rechargeable battery, use "1+2" or "1+4".<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; With no battery backup, use "0".<br>
<br>
--John<br>
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<br>
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<div><br>
</div>
<div>Andrew<br>
<div><br>
On Thursday, June 19, 2014 4:40:52 PM UTC-7, Andrew Bingham
wrote:
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<div dir="ltr">My SBC-188 has finally reached the "ready
to program ROM and try to boot" stage.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>However, there seem to be a number of jumpers on
this board and I want to make sure I have them set
correctly.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Here is what I can discern:</div>
<div>J1, J3, J30, J31 - set to NONE, 1-2, NONE, 2-3 for
my 29F010 chip</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>J2 - Reset Select - 1-2 for N8VEM-style reset
(/RESET_OUT to B_/RESET)</div>
<div>J4 - Blackplane Battery Connection In/Out - OPEN
for local supercap backup connected to P6 (not using
backplane yet)</div>
<div>J5 - Parallel Port Pin 25 Select - OPEN/NONE (not
needed unless I use the parallel output, then connects
pin 25 to ground or +5V, set carefully based on
connected device)</div>
<div><font color="#ff0000">J6 - RTC Option Jumper - ????
No Idea</font></div>
<div>J7 - ECB /CLK Connection - OPEN (no backplane used)
- would output CLK onto ECB bus</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>So it looks like I need to set J3 and J31 for the
ROM and J2 for reset and I am good to go? &nbsp;What is J6
used for?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Andrew</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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Andrew Bingham
2014-06-20 05:24:40 UTC
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Oh and here are some pictures.
Post by Andrew Bingham
My SBC-188 has finally reached the "ready to program ROM and try to boot"
stage.
However, there seem to be a number of jumpers on this board and I want to
make sure I have them set correctly.
J1, J3, J30, J31 - set to NONE, 1-2, NONE, 2-3 for my 29F010 chip
J2 - Reset Select - 1-2 for N8VEM-style reset (/RESET_OUT to B_/RESET)
J4 - Blackplane Battery Connection In/Out - OPEN for local supercap backup
connected to P6 (not using backplane yet)
J5 - Parallel Port Pin 25 Select - OPEN/NONE (not needed unless I use the
parallel output, then connects pin 25 to ground or +5V, set carefully based
on connected device)
J6 - RTC Option Jumper - ???? No Idea
J7 - ECB /CLK Connection - OPEN (no backplane used) - would output CLK
onto ECB bus
So it looks like I need to set J3 and J31 for the ROM and J2 for reset and
I am good to go? What is J6 used for?
Andrew
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2014-06-20 07:23:25 UTC
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J2:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1-2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; N8VEM legacy<br>
J6:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; open&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; This is just a 1-bit boot-time input.&nbsp; No software
uses it as yet.<br>
<br>
J4:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; open if you have no backplane<br>
P6:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; determines how you back up the NVRAM and RTC contained in the
DS1302.&nbsp; Some kind of battery power is highly desirable, otherwise
you'll have to reconfigure the system every time you turn the power
on.<br>
<br>
Pins can be soldered into P6 so that an external battery can be
connected directly to the board.&nbsp; However, these pins are hard to
desolder should you want to put in a super-cap.<br>
<br>
IMHO, the super-cap (0.1F .. 0.33F) is the most satisfactory option.<br>
<br>
I've run the board with no PPIDE add-on card, and with the Floppies
configured as not present.&nbsp; But I've never run the board without the
floppy controller installed.&nbsp; You may have discovered an undesirable
characteristic of the BIOS, if this is preventing you from getting
to Tiny Basic.<br>
<br>
--John<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 06/19/2014 04:40 PM, Andrew Bingham wrote:
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cite="mid:be0cde76-0c32-4b08-b4af-349b3dde8638-/***@public.gmane.org"
type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">My SBC-188 has finally reached the "ready to
program ROM and try to boot" stage.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>However, there seem to be a number of jumpers on this board
and I want to make sure I have them set correctly.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Here is what I can discern:</div>
<div>J1, J3, J30, J31 - set to NONE, 1-2, NONE, 2-3 for my
29F010 chip</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>J2 - Reset Select - 1-2 for N8VEM-style reset (/RESET_OUT
to B_/RESET)</div>
<div>J4 - Blackplane Battery Connection In/Out - OPEN for local
supercap backup connected to P6 (not using backplane yet)</div>
<div>J5 - Parallel Port Pin 25 Select - OPEN/NONE (not needed
unless I use the parallel output, then connects pin 25 to
ground or +5V, set carefully based on connected device)</div>
<div><font color="#ff0000">J6 - RTC Option Jumper - ???? No Idea</font></div>
<div>J7 - ECB /CLK Connection - OPEN (no backplane used) - would
output CLK onto ECB bus</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>So it looks like I need to set J3 and J31 for the ROM and
J2 for reset and I am good to go? &nbsp;What is J6 used for?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Andrew</div>
<div><br>
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Andrew Bingham
2014-06-20 18:35:38 UTC
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From looking through the BIOS code it looks like it goes to the floppy_init
code and hence on to Int 013h / 00h (Reset Floppy) even if you specify the
floppy is "not present". Is it possible one of the input_byte_from_floppy
type routines is hanging waiting for the response from the WD chip that
isn't there?
J2: 1-2 N8VEM legacy
J6: open This is just a 1-bit boot-time input. No software uses it
as yet.
J4: open if you have no backplane
P6: determines how you back up the NVRAM and RTC contained in the
DS1302. Some kind of battery power is highly desirable, otherwise you'll
have to reconfigure the system every time you turn the power on.
Pins can be soldered into P6 so that an external battery can be connected
directly to the board. However, these pins are hard to desolder should you
want to put in a super-cap.
IMHO, the super-cap (0.1F .. 0.33F) is the most satisfactory option.
I've run the board with no PPIDE add-on card, and with the Floppies
configured as not present. But I've never run the board without the floppy
controller installed. You may have discovered an undesirable
characteristic of the BIOS, if this is preventing you from getting to Tiny
Basic.
--John
My SBC-188 has finally reached the "ready to program ROM and try to boot"
stage.
However, there seem to be a number of jumpers on this board and I want
to make sure I have them set correctly.
J1, J3, J30, J31 - set to NONE, 1-2, NONE, 2-3 for my 29F010 chip
J2 - Reset Select - 1-2 for N8VEM-style reset (/RESET_OUT to B_/RESET)
J4 - Blackplane Battery Connection In/Out - OPEN for local supercap backup
connected to P6 (not using backplane yet)
J5 - Parallel Port Pin 25 Select - OPEN/NONE (not needed unless I use the
parallel output, then connects pin 25 to ground or +5V, set carefully based
on connected device)
J6 - RTC Option Jumper - ???? No Idea
J7 - ECB /CLK Connection - OPEN (no backplane used) - would output CLK
onto ECB bus
So it looks like I need to set J3 and J31 for the ROM and J2 for reset
and I am good to go? What is J6 used for?
Andrew
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Andrew Bingham
2014-06-27 19:49:19 UTC
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I got some WD floppy chips from Quest Components, and now I can get to the
Tiny Basic in the ROM. Now I just need to dig out a floppy drive and some
floppies.

Andrew
From looking through the BIOS code it looks like it goes to the
floppy_init code and hence on to Int 013h / 00h (Reset Floppy) even if you
specify the floppy is "not present". Is it possible one of the
input_byte_from_floppy type routines is hanging waiting for the response
from the WD chip that isn't there?
J2: 1-2 N8VEM legacy
J6: open This is just a 1-bit boot-time input. No software uses it
as yet.
J4: open if you have no backplane
P6: determines how you back up the NVRAM and RTC contained in the
DS1302. Some kind of battery power is highly desirable, otherwise you'll
have to reconfigure the system every time you turn the power on.
Pins can be soldered into P6 so that an external battery can be connected
directly to the board. However, these pins are hard to desolder should you
want to put in a super-cap.
IMHO, the super-cap (0.1F .. 0.33F) is the most satisfactory option.
I've run the board with no PPIDE add-on card, and with the Floppies
configured as not present. But I've never run the board without the floppy
controller installed. You may have discovered an undesirable
characteristic of the BIOS, if this is preventing you from getting to Tiny
Basic.
--John
My SBC-188 has finally reached the "ready to program ROM and try to boot"
stage.
However, there seem to be a number of jumpers on this board and I want
to make sure I have them set correctly.
J1, J3, J30, J31 - set to NONE, 1-2, NONE, 2-3 for my 29F010 chip
J2 - Reset Select - 1-2 for N8VEM-style reset (/RESET_OUT to B_/RESET)
J4 - Blackplane Battery Connection In/Out - OPEN for local supercap
backup connected to P6 (not using backplane yet)
J5 - Parallel Port Pin 25 Select - OPEN/NONE (not needed unless I use the
parallel output, then connects pin 25 to ground or +5V, set carefully based
on connected device)
J6 - RTC Option Jumper - ???? No Idea
J7 - ECB /CLK Connection - OPEN (no backplane used) - would output CLK
onto ECB bus
So it looks like I need to set J3 and J31 for the ROM and J2 for reset
and I am good to go? What is J6 used for?
Andrew
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2014-06-28 04:54:44 UTC
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Note that the floppy drive cabling is at variance from IBM.&nbsp; Drive
A: has NO twist in the cable; drive B: does.&nbsp; This makes life
simpler for those with only one drive, especially if you are making
your own cable.<br>
<br>
--John<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 06/27/2014 12:49 PM, Andrew Bingham wrote:
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cite="mid:fb47b7e5-2d97-47eb-a508-4e499fc30e22-/***@public.gmane.org"
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<div dir="ltr">I got some WD floppy chips from Quest Components,
and now I can get to the Tiny Basic in the ROM.&nbsp; Now I just need
to dig out a floppy drive and some floppies.<br>
<br>
Andrew<br>
<br>
On Friday, June 20, 2014 11:35:38 AM UTC-7, Andrew Bingham
wrote:
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt
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padding-left: 1ex;">
<div dir="ltr">From looking through the BIOS code it looks
like it goes to the floppy_init code and hence on to Int
013h / 00h (Reset Floppy) even if you specify the floppy is
"not present". &nbsp;Is it possible one of the
input_byte_from_floppy type routines is hanging waiting for
the response from the WD chip that isn't there?
<div><br>
On Friday, June 20, 2014 12:23:28 AM UTC-7, John Coffman
wrote:
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<div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> J2:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1-2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;
N8VEM legacy<br>
J6:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; open&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; This is just a 1-bit boot-time input.&nbsp;
No software uses it as yet.<br>
<br>
J4:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; open if you have no backplane<br>
P6:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; determines how you back up the NVRAM and RTC
contained in the DS1302.&nbsp; Some kind of battery power
is highly desirable, otherwise you'll have to
reconfigure the system every time you turn the power
on.<br>
<br>
Pins can be soldered into P6 so that an external
battery can be connected directly to the board.&nbsp;
However, these pins are hard to desolder should you
want to put in a super-cap.<br>
<br>
IMHO, the super-cap (0.1F .. 0.33F) is the most
satisfactory option.<br>
<br>
I've run the board with no PPIDE add-on card, and with
the Floppies configured as not present.&nbsp; But I've
never run the board without the floppy controller
installed.&nbsp; You may have discovered an undesirable
characteristic of the BIOS, if this is preventing you
from getting to Tiny Basic.<br>
<br>
--John<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 06/19/2014 04:40 PM, Andrew Bingham wrote:
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">My SBC-188 has finally reached the
"ready to program ROM and try to boot" stage.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>However, there seem to be a number of jumpers
on this board and I want to make sure I have
them set correctly.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Here is what I can discern:</div>
<div>J1, J3, J30, J31 - set to NONE, 1-2, NONE,
2-3 for my 29F010 chip</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>J2 - Reset Select - 1-2 for N8VEM-style reset
(/RESET_OUT to B_/RESET)</div>
<div>J4 - Blackplane Battery Connection In/Out -
OPEN for local supercap backup connected to P6
(not using backplane yet)</div>
<div>J5 - Parallel Port Pin 25 Select - OPEN/NONE
(not needed unless I use the parallel output,
then connects pin 25 to ground or +5V, set
carefully based on connected device)</div>
<div><font color="#ff0000">J6 - RTC Option Jumper
- ???? No Idea</font></div>
<div>J7 - ECB /CLK Connection - OPEN (no backplane
used) - would output CLK onto ECB bus</div>
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<div>So it looks like I need to set J3 and J31 for
the ROM and J2 for reset and I am good to go?
&nbsp;What is J6 used for?</div>
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<div>Andrew</div>
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